Request for Utsusemi

[Xianghua]

What made Utsu broken was the fact that there wasn't a single skill that could match it.

It killed blood tanking. pld/nin, rdm/nin, nin/drk
It Killed DD's DPS- Subbing /nin instead of /thf /sam /war
everyone subbed nin for that spell and that spell only. It gimped the hell out of people.

Also Nin may have been the better tank. But it required top gear/ great skill. 90% of the them sucked though and couldn't tank anything. Once atonement came out and enfeeble's were gimped Nin sucked at tanking.

[Eli_Jin]

The counter argument to giving BARD Utsusemi (or any single job for that matter):

Because then you'd see a party of nothing but 8 Bards bouncing hate and taking 0 damage while whittling down the NM.

What it all comes down to is that being able to avoid multiple hits repeatedly (30 - 45 sec recast) is over powered because you are damaging the enemy and they aren't touching you, making it the vastly preferred class even if it is low DPS.

If it were to make a return, it would need to be scaled down to
1) not be possible to have it up 90-100% of the time and
2) not be accessible by all classes.

Oh wait, they already have abilities that are scaled down and not over powered: Decoy and Feather foot, which won't be accessible by all jobs. As a current GLA, they help with reducing damage, but they don't make you evade everything which is a nice balance in my book.

[Xoo]

What made Utsu broken was the fact that there wasn't a single skill that could match it.

It killed blood tanking. pld/nin, rdm/nin, nin/drk
It Killed DD's DPS- Subbing /nin instead of /thf /sam /war
everyone subbed nin for that spell and that spell only. It gimped the hell out of people.

Also Nin may have been the better tank. But it required top gear/ great skill. 90% of the them sucked though and couldn't tank anything. Once atonement came out and enfeeble's were gimped Nin sucked at tanking.

No, ma'am. A tank that could not hold hate gimped DPS. Paladin still had its uses, /NIN or no.

[Stanislaw]

I'll bite.

I've read through the entire thread (albeit relatively quickly), but I haven't seen one post or reasoning why the OP wants Utsusemi for BRD. Care to explain why? Because until then, this argument:

The counter argument to giving BARD Utsusemi (or any single job for that matter):

Because then you'd see a party of nothing but 8 Bards bouncing hate and taking 0 damage while whittling down the NM.

Is pretty much why Utsusemi is not a very good idea, even if it's restricted to BRD only.

[Xoo]

The counter argument to giving BARD Utsusemi (or any single job for that matter):

Because then you'd see a party of nothing but 8 Bards bouncing hate and taking 0 damage while whittling down the NM.

What it all comes down to is that being able to avoid multiple hits repeatedly (30 - 45 sec recast) is over powered because you are damaging the enemy and they aren't touching you, making it the vastly preferred class even if it is low DPS.

If it were to make a return, it would need to be scaled down to
1) not be possible to have it up 90-100% of the time and
2) not be accessible by all classes.

Oh wait, they already have abilities that are scaled down and not over powered: Decoy and Feather foot, which won't be accessible by all jobs. As a current GLA, they help with reducing damage, but they don't make you evade everything which is a nice balance in my book.

Yes. That's why in XI every NM fight consisted of 100% Ninja. Or even better, BRD/NIN!

Shadows do grant you a great deal of survivability, but far from invincibility.

[Xianghua]

Yes. That's why in XI every NM fight consisted of 100% Ninja. Or even better, BRD/NIN!

Shadows do grant you a great deal of survivability, but far from invincibility.

XI fight- pld/nin x2 Sam/nin x10 whm rdm x3 brdx2 and some blms

[Stanislaw]

Or even better, BRD/NIN!

BRD/NIN was actually a viable tank once in FFXI.

Yes, I'm serious.

(although it might've been NIN/BRD now that I think about it)

[Chardrizard]

BRD/NIN was actually a viable tank once in FFXI.

Yes, I'm serious.

Was far superior hate-wise than any other class lmao, that was fun while it lasted.

[Xoo]

I'll bite.

I've read through the entire thread (albeit relatively quickly), but I haven't seen one post or reasoning why the OP wants Utsusemi for BRD. Care to explain why? Because until then, this argument:



Is pretty much why Utsusemi is not a very good idea, even if it's restricted to BRD only.

OH MY GOD DO YOU MEAN IT??! An actual response?

Bard is meant as a support job, yes? Bard has a bow, yes? Bard will have Swiftsong yes? Can bard not be an actual puller for the group, instead of one person mounting a chocobo, getting too far away from the party and only drawing the aggro of 1 or 2 mobs? I hope/suspect that BRD songs will have a good AoE and range on them, where it can stand at enough distance to continually feed the group mobs to kill.

Take for instance:

(Enemy Group)<-------------->(Bard)<-------------->(Party)

The mobs are too far out of range for 1 melee member to successfully link a group, but the Bard stands between them, has shadows, can sleep them, buff the party, do some damage and still stay alive without the guarantee of cures and stoneskin.

EDIT: Please, as a reward Stanislaw, you are free to laugh at me all you like and still get honest smiles. /bow

[Xianghua]

OH MY GOD DO YOU MEAN IT??! An actual response?

Bard is meant as a support job, yes? Bard has a bow, yes? Bard will have Swiftsong yes? Can bard not be an actual puller for the group, instead of one person mounting a chocobo, getting too far away from the party and only drawing the aggro of 1 or 2 mobs? I hope/suspect that BRD songs will have a good AoE and range on them, where it can stand at enough distance to continually feed the group mobs to kill.

Take for instance:

(Enemy Group)<-------------->(Bard)<-------------->(Party)

The mobs are too far out of range for 1 melee member to successfully link a group, but the Bard stands between them, has shadows, can sleep them, buff the party, do some damage and still stay alive without the guarantee of cures and stoneskin.

EDIT: Please, as a reward Stanislaw, you are free to laugh at me all you like and still get honest smiles. /bow

You don't Need Utsu to pull mobs that deaggro 5 feet from their spawn point. Like most other things in XI. People think its needed in this game just because it was in XI. Right now XIV has no use for utsu and I doubt it ever will.