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    The counter argument to giving BARD Utsusemi (or any single job for that matter):

    Because then you'd see a party of nothing but 8 Bards bouncing hate and taking 0 damage while whittling down the NM.

    What it all comes down to is that being able to avoid multiple hits repeatedly (30 - 45 sec recast) is over powered because you are damaging the enemy and they aren't touching you, making it the vastly preferred class even if it is low DPS.

    If it were to make a return, it would need to be scaled down to
    1) not be possible to have it up 90-100% of the time and
    2) not be accessible by all classes.

    Oh wait, they already have abilities that are scaled down and not over powered: Decoy and Feather foot, which won't be accessible by all jobs. As a current GLA, they help with reducing damage, but they don't make you evade everything which is a nice balance in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli_Jin View Post
    The counter argument to giving BARD Utsusemi (or any single job for that matter):

    Because then you'd see a party of nothing but 8 Bards bouncing hate and taking 0 damage while whittling down the NM.

    What it all comes down to is that being able to avoid multiple hits repeatedly (30 - 45 sec recast) is over powered because you are damaging the enemy and they aren't touching you, making it the vastly preferred class even if it is low DPS.

    If it were to make a return, it would need to be scaled down to
    1) not be possible to have it up 90-100% of the time and
    2) not be accessible by all classes.

    Oh wait, they already have abilities that are scaled down and not over powered: Decoy and Feather foot, which won't be accessible by all jobs. As a current GLA, they help with reducing damage, but they don't make you evade everything which is a nice balance in my book.
    Yes. That's why in XI every NM fight consisted of 100% Ninja. Or even better, BRD/NIN!

    Shadows do grant you a great deal of survivability, but far from invincibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    Yes. That's why in XI every NM fight consisted of 100% Ninja. Or even better, BRD/NIN!

    Shadows do grant you a great deal of survivability, but far from invincibility.
    XI fight- pld/nin x2 Sam/nin x10 whm rdm x3 brdx2 and some blms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xianghua View Post
    XI fight- pld/nin x2 Sam/nin x10 whm rdm x3 brdx2 and some blms
    Yes, and what do you get when you have a group of BRD's trying to take out an NM with AoE spam/nukes? A whole bunch of dead Bards! Because Bard will not have Provoke or Taunt, and therefore hate cannot be bounced in a necessarily controlled fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    Or even better, BRD/NIN!
    BRD/NIN was actually a viable tank once in FFXI.

    Yes, I'm serious.

    (although it might've been NIN/BRD now that I think about it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislaw View Post
    BRD/NIN was actually a viable tank once in FFXI.

    Yes, I'm serious.
    Was far superior hate-wise than any other class lmao, that was fun while it lasted.
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