Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Shuuli]

Everyone saying simplicity warrants low dps... okay, so what about Reaper? I highly doubt its rocket science and puts out more dps then dps that actually needs to think before deciding to use aoe or single target.

[jadeblade]

Everyone saying simplicity warrants low dps... okay, so what about Reaper? I highly doubt its rocket science and puts out more dps then dps that actually needs to think before deciding to use aoe or single target.

I have good hunch that a nerf is coming Reaper way on the savage patch. All these Reaper bandwagon will be disappointed pretty soon.

[ThorneDynasty]

Everyone saying simplicity warrants low dps... okay, so what about Reaper? I highly doubt its rocket science and puts out more dps then dps that actually needs to think before deciding to use aoe or single target.

I think everyone is expecting a nerf for Reaper pretty soon. You are sure to see people going off about it if it won't be in the next patch.

[WlyemR]

Oh yeah, SMN needs a buff. That is not even up for debate. The actual discussion is what should be buffed. As it stands, going from 79 to 80 is straight up a DPS loss because of the tradeoff of Deathflare for Rekindle. The easiest solution would be to buff the Phoenix autos or their GCDs in some way. Other than that, some slight buffs to Gemshine and Precious Brilliance would be in order. Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

[Rika007]

Oh yeah, SMN needs a buff. That is not even up for debate. The actual discussion is what should be buffed. As it stands, going from 79 to 80 is straight up a DPS loss because of the tradeoff of Deathflare for Rekindle. The easiest solution would be to buff the Phoenix autos or their GCDs in some way. Other than that, some slight buffs to Gemshine and Precious Brilliance would be in order. Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

Personally I think putting Energy Drain back to the Shadowbringers level of 30 seconds and also making it so you can enkindle Bahamut and Pheonix twice again would do more then enough damage wise and also help the job feel better as well. If that would be enough (or too much) raw potency wise for SMN's Damage will have to obviously be looked at and potencies adjusted based on which way it goes, but I just feel like pushing ED to one minute and Enkindle to only once per trace were two of those changes the devs did not realize would have as big of an impact on the damage as it would.

[Anvaire]

Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

I think taking Ruin IV off the GCD would be detrimental. It is often the only viable instant cast i have to move during ifrit phase as the long cast times make Slidecasting impractical and often if i am moving, im moving away from the boss rather than towards it. If its shimmying around the boss i use charge & SMash or ifrit summon itself. So while moving it to GCD wouldnt seem like a lot, in practical terms it would mean either skipping part of ifrit so as to not delay the next Demi or delaying the demi which over the course of the fight would result in quite a bit of drift.

That said i do think summoner could do a low potency instant not tied to any summons that can be used for weaving and movement in downtime and perhaps some more OGCD's to break up all the instants. Overall though, I think he job is in a good spot design wise just has some kinks. I do expect that a lot of the old SMN mains who played for the complexity (I am an old SMN main from ARR beta, but i played for the Aesthetic) are going to find this rendition lacking, but its got a clear identity now rather than the hodgepodge it was before - a few tweaks and it will be a solid job to play.