Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[Velnora]

It is time treaveling.
He specifically used Cid's Tyacoon, an artificial recreation of Alexander that combines its time-manipulation abilities with Omega's dimension-hopping capabilities.
By the definition of both space and time got altered, yes he time traveled but end up on First that is all.

That isn't the definition of time travel. Yes, this is where it gets nonsensical.

[Divinemights]

That isn't the definition of time travel. Yes, this is where it gets nonsensical.

Time travel is the concept of movement between certain points in time, analogous to movement between different points in space by an object or a person, typically with the use of a hypothetical device known as a time machine.
Which part is nonsensical?
You need to support your argument instead of blanket denial.

[Velnora]

Time travel is the concept of movement between certain points in time, analogous to movement between different points in space by an object or a person, typically with the use of a hypothetical device known as a time machine.
Which part is nonsensical?
You need to support your argument instead of blanket denial.

Because he did not move between different points in time. They explicitly stated that time moved slower on the first. He ported himself and the tower, using the tower as a power source onto the first.

[Divinemights]

Because he did not move between different points in time. They explicitly stated that time moved slower on the first.

There was no Crystal Tower on First and we met him on Origin and put him to sleep ourself.
He wakes up 200 years later after 8th Calamity took WoL's life and wiped Scions.
How is this not a time traveling by definition?

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

How your defend such trash that suppose to feel like the END OF THE WORLD but was mostly commedy bullshit and skiped over what the story was suppose to have a lot of is pathetic.

Didn't the supposed "End of the World" only happen in Thavnair too? And for like 3 cutscenes and a dungeon, no less? And only random NPCs we never met before and/or had any sort of interaction with die so we had very little reason to have our feelings truly crushed? And quite a few of the Scions were popping off jokes which defeated the entire sense of urgency?

[Velnora]

There was no Crystal Tower on First and we met him on Origin and put him to sleep ourself.
He wakes up 200 years later after 8th Calamity took WoL's life and wiped Scions.
How is this not a time traveling by definition?

I'm aware. He placed the tower there. Because he isn't going back in time on the source. He is going to an alternate timeline, that moves slower, on the first. This is why it gets nonsensical.

[hydralus]

Forget all the time travel stuff. Can anyone explain to me what Vanet's plan would've been if the ancients agreed and didn't offer more souls to Zodiark to bring life back to the planet? Like the ancients can't interact with dynamis to a meaningful degree so aside from sundering and splitting everyone up to make their aether thinner and thus easier to interact with dynamis, what was the plan? Could the ancients have learned to accept suffering enough to defeat dynamis? Seems to me that there was no reason to try and talk them down because there was always going to be the threat of emo bird lingering on the edge of space. Are they just going to live with it? Because present-time sundered people can't live with it. They went to the edge of the universe and beat Meteion to stop it. How were the ancients going to do that? COULD they have done that? If so, why would Vanet not offer that information rather than going on about how they have to live with suffering and then slice them up when they didn't agree?

To me it doesn't make much sense. Maybe I missed something. Their sacrificing seemed to have little to do with the threat at hand. Personally I think it would've made more sense if the aether/stream of the planet itself became damaged by all the God-playing the Ancients were doing and eventually it led to a breaking point that resulted in the end-days. Then the themes they set up in the story would've made a bit more sense for me.

[Ranhansha]

And why aren't people awakening to the Echo when they see the meteors from the Final Days like they did in the First? And why do they only have meteor showers in Radz-at-han? And where do they come from? Why can the boss from the dungeon produce meteors?

[Lersayil]

Forget all the time travel stuff. Can anyone explain to me what Vanet's plan would've been if the ancients agreed and didn't offer more souls to Zodiark to bring life back to the planet? Like the ancients can't interact with dynamis to a meaningful degree so aside from sundering and splitting everyone up to make their aether thinner and thus easier to interact with dynamis, what was the plan? Could the ancients have learned to accept suffering enough to defeat dynamis? Seems to me that there was no reason to try and talk them down because there was always going to be the threat of emo bird lingering on the edge of space. Are they just going to live with it? Because present-time sundered people can't live with it. They went to the edge of the universe and beat Meteion to stop it. How were the ancients going to do that? COULD they have done that? If so, why would Vanet not offer that information rather than going on about how they have to live with suffering and then slice them up when they didn't agree?

To me it doesn't make much sense. Maybe I missed something. Their sacrificing seemed to have little to do with the threat at hand. Personally I think it would've made more sense if the aether/stream of the planet itself became damaged by all the God-playing the Ancients were doing and eventually it led to a breaking point that resulted in the end-days. Then the themes they set up in the story would've made a bit more sense for me.

There were multiple sacrifices made, only the last one prevented by Venat. Technically the ancients were safe from Meteion (until her heat death plan comes to fruition) at the point where big Z put up the aether shield around the star, albeit pretty mangled in numbers. The last sacrifice would've been just to resurrect the ones they sacrificed previously. They could've lived on with their diminished numbers (possibly going extinct in the process) but the shield held for the time being. Not a solution, but it might've bought them time to figure out a proper one.

That is unless there was a reason I'm not aware of that big Z couldn't just chill without being sundered and sealed.

[SaberMaxwell]

I'm aware. He placed the tower there. Because he isn't going back in time on the source. He is going to an alternate timeline, that moves slower, on the first. This is why it gets nonsensical.

You've got the order of events very wrong. Yes, the flow of time between the shards is different, but by the time Graha woke up the First was already gone because it had been Rejoined.

He time traveled to the past with the intent of preventing the 8th Calamity. He wound up traveling back to a point in the First where the flow of time was very different to the Source, but the fact still remains he is from the future and the story is not ambiguous about that in the least. It *becomes* an alternate future through the actions taken in Shadowbringers, but until the point we defeated Hades it remained *the* future.