New patch and still no positionals back on MNK!

[Kolsykol]

Serious question, how can you like it? It would be an "ok" side-mechanic, but standalone or even as core-mechanic? No...

I mean, seriously... it´s not a gauge or something. I don´t even know why we got some graphical info about it. They added or better reintroduced already existing skills as burstskills at the end of any PB window. The rotation changed a bit, but that´s it?! You´ve nothing to play around, nothing to care about. You just press PB as before, perform 3 skills and use a fourth button after that order. If you fail you´ve a "safe-skill" which is at bosses even easier in its execution since you need a target, meanwhile the other skills can land into nowhere when the boss is getting untargetable or jumps away.

Blitz is no depth mechanic or anything in my eyes. So what is so good at it?

I like combo:ing into a big finisher.

I really don't like gauges tho it's actually something I really dislike about Reaper and it makes the rotation on Reaper feel very stale to me.
I don't like the feeling of just 1 2 3 to build up a meter and then dumping it.
NIN is an exception to that because it's actually a bit more involved if you want to fit it into trick windows it's less forgiving than on Reaper and NIN also doesn't revolve around it entirely like Reaper does.

[ssunny2008]

I like combo:ing into a big finisher.

I get that, but is it deep or something? I mean, we´re talking about that one thing on MNK left while everything else got deleted. And the combo hasn´t even changed, it´s the same as previous PB, but splitted into 2. It was possible to take the old MNK and put a finisher at the end of PB too. Instead we got catered with a praised rework, which is nothing but an addition of burstskills on cd into the rotation.

Do you get what i mean?! So many ppl have been like "yes a new mechanic on MNK", but is that really one? It´s deceptive.

Blitz gives Perfect Balance a proper purpose which is what was asked of it since it was made purely into a damage cooldown in ShB. I like it conceptually but I do agree it could have been executed better, especially when MNK quite literally has nothing else to do in its kit right now.

I mean it does nothing else than before... "Increase our DPS."
We spam Bootshine half its time, but still prefer it in 2/3 Blitz-phases. So nothing really changed, just TK / EF and a new skill as GCD at its end.

With NIN and SAM as comparable templates, both have possibilities and / or have to use different combos, unleash the skill without a full combo. MNK on the other hand, does exactly the same stuff as before, just with Midare/Raiton on top.

It might feel fresh for some ppl, because it´s new and changed the rotation slightly, but objectively seen it adds nothing to MNK´s kit or gameplay, but high potency skills.

[Blazero]

I like combo:ing into a big finisher.

I really don't like gauges tho it's actually something I really dislike about Reaper and it makes the rotation on Reaper feel very stale to me.
I don't like the feeling of just 1 2 3 to build up a meter and then dumping it.
NIN is an exception to that because it's actually a bit more involved if you want to fit it into trick windows it's less forgiving than on Reaper and NIN also doesn't revolve around it entirely like Reaper does.

I do agree about being able to combo into a big finisher (and this is the first time Monk has had really big potencies since it has always been more about hitting fast, not hard). Rising Phoenix is also one of the most satisfying things ever.

They can definitely build on the Blitz system further, but I like what I've been able to play with so far. Like you mentioned earlier, Chakra overcap has always been an issue and it feels bad wasting a potential Chakra gain.

Serious question, how can you like it? It would be an "ok" side-mechanic, but standalone or even as core-mechanic? No...

Blitz is no depth mechanic or anything in my eyes. So what is so good at it?

I feel the current Perfect Balance/Blitz is a better build on what we had in terms of PB pre-Endwalker, since we had a Perfect Balance window every 90 seconds instead, which always led to Dragon Kick > Bootshine and repeat a further 2 times, with no big finisher at the end. We did have positionals in between but it really was just pressing the same combo buttons in between those 90-second windows, with the here-and-there Elixir Fields and Tornado Kicks - which we never really got to appreciate the animations of since they were oGCDs. We do at least get to do free-form combos more often now, with 2 charges of PB and 40-second cooldowns.

I do think something thing that would help Monk, in general, is making Celestial Revolution into a single target skill (edit: that has a higher potency than Elixir Field) that would generate a Lunar Nadi, which would give us a little bit more choice between Elixir Field and Celestial Revolution.

[ssunny2008]

I feel the current Perfect Balance/Blitz is a better build on what we had in terms of PB pre-Endwalker, since we had a Perfect Balance window every 90 seconds instead, which always led to Dragon Kick > Bootshine and repeat a further 2 times, with no big finisher at the end. We did have positionals in between but it really was just pressing the same combo buttons in between those 90-second windows, with the here-and-there Elixir Fields and Tornado Kicks - which we never really got to appreciate the animations of since they were oGCDs. We do at least get to do free-form combos more often now, with 2 charges of PB and 40-second cooldowns.

I do think something thing that would help Monk, in general, is making Celestial Revolution into a single target skill that would generate a Lunar Nadi, which would give us a little bit more choice between Elixir Field and Celestial Revolution.

Of course it makes PB a bit more relevant, or at least a bit less braindead. But for me it´s still nothing but new skills added, which i barely use. As i´ve said, just look how SAM / NIN work and what possibilities they have with something similar.

Doesn´t really make sense to change CR. You´re going to use the skill with the biggest potency. The only way to make it happen is to give CR a bigger potency than EF. So EF would be only useful with 2+ enemies. But since it´s rarely the case in any bossfights, you gonna stuck on CR. Otherwise it would break the whole MNK rotation in some way. (Which would atleast need some kind of adaption.) But srs i don´t want to have just another SAM or NIN. MNK had its own with positionals, now it has nothing unique so far besides SSS.

[Blazero]

Doesn´t really make sense to change CR. You´re going to use the skill with the biggest potency. The only way to make it happen is to give CR a bigger potency than EF. So EF would be only useful with 2+ enemies. But since it´s rarely the case in any bossfights, you gonna stuck on CR. Otherwise it would break the whole MNK rotation in some way. (Which would atleast need some kind of adaption.) But srs i don´t want to have just another SAM or NIN. MNK had its own with positionals, now it has nothing unique so far besides SSS.

Yeah, it'd require a bigger adaptation but I'm willing to see how it plays out. Having Elixir Field be the Lunar AoE choice and Celestial Revolution be the Lunar single target choice (and like you said, it'd need to be a higher potency than Elixir Field in that case) was my thought process, but I'm sure there are better ideas out there. Again, it'd be great to have more things we can do in between our Perfect Balance windows, but I'm being hopeful and optimistic, as I've been finding it fun playing with Monk post-Endwalker.

[Shurrikhan]

Having Elixir Field be the Lunar AoE choice and Celestial Revolution be the Lunar single target choice...

Do we really need more "Can you count whether there's more than one enemy?!" job kit mechanics?

[Blazero]

Do we really need more "Can you count whether there's more than one enemy?!" job kit mechanics?

It was just an idea, and I'm sure it can be made into something better than what it is (and better than what I suggested). It'd be great to see it being used in the rotation somehow. For now at the very least though, sadly we'll have to live with it being the "rabbit" of Monk and completely avoid using it.

[Shurrikhan]

It was just an idea, and I'm sure it can be made into something better than what it is (and better than what I suggested). It'd be great to see it being used in the rotation somehow. For now at the very least though, sadly we'll have to live with it being the "rabbit" of Monk and completely avoid using it.

Fair enough. I'm not sure what use I could find for it, without reworking Blitz overall to be more than just A/B -> B/A -> C -> (repeat), that wouldn't feel a bit bloated, though. By name, Celestial Revolution feels like it ought to swap our Nadi, but filling in the missing one is already plenty close to that and, besides, we come up with names for what the kit needs, not make effects just based on names. Hmm.

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What bait, I openly despise the guy.

I was referring to the latter half of your earlier comment--i.e., that anyone whose favorite job has been wrecked should just go play another (despite the other being then and remaining still an inferior match for/to what and how they want to play) just to make room for those who, as you've said of yourself...

Couldn't give damn about class.