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[Nekaru_Infitima]

Here's an interesting question to ponder.

Say there is a ginger-haired group and blonde-haired group. As we all know both get made fun of but in different ways, different experiences they had to deal with.

Now you have Subject-A who is blonde naturally and had to deal with blonde jokes. Subject-B natural ginger, had to deal with ginger jokes.

A dyes their hair ginger, B dyes their hair blonde. They both try to join the opposite group.

Are they to suddenly be accepted now that they fit in? Do they suddenly know the hardships of dealing with the type of teasing they got?

Now apply it to girls-only and boys-only.

[Nethereal]

Here's an interesting question to ponder.

Say there is a ginger-haired group and blonde-haired group. As we all know both get made fun of but in different ways, different experiences they had to deal with.

Now you have Subject-A who is blonde naturally and had to deal with blonde jokes. Subject-B natural ginger, had to deal with ginger jokes.

A dyes their hair ginger, B dyes their hair blonde. They both try to join the opposite group.

Are they to suddenly be accepted now that they fit in? Do they suddenly know the hardships of dealing with the type of teasing they got?

Now apply it to girls-only and boys-only.

Imo in this particular situation the girls need to set up their own group.
However if the group didn't know they weren't natural then it is none of their business as long as they have similar experiences and aren't dismissive.
Because largely being made of of because your hair is blonde or ginger is still you getting your hair made fun of.
It would make more sense in the analogy if one girl was getting made fun of because of her hair and the other girl was getting made fun of because of her nails.
But that still falls under you being made fun of because of your body.

So really it just comes down to how your group to discriminate who is allowed in. Personal preference.

I think the direct real life example of this would be people who present as male can be in the boy scouts and vice versa but having people who present as girls in the boyscouts or who present as boys in the girlscouts isn't the same.
Then there's also the discussion of distinction where in does this line stop because there are biological differences that can't be changed, so can feminine presenting but biologically male people be allowed in the female bathrooms or be allowed to participate in female sports, or be allowed in females prisons.

I think it's a very convoluted issue where in no solution/fix should be put in place without taking it to its natural conclusion first. Until then things like unisex bathrooms, groups, and sports are the way to go for this particular issue.
Transgressing on something already in place instead of making your own is not the way.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Imo in this particular situation the girls need to set up their own group.
However if the group didn't know they weren't natural then it is none of their business as long as they have similar experiences and aren't dismissive.
Because largely being made of of because your hair is blonde or ginger is still you getting your hair made fun of.
It would make more sense in the analogy if one girl was getting made fun of because of her hair and the other girl was getting made fun of because of her nails.

I love how you defaulted it in to girls even though I just said subject.

It shows we have assumed 'gender' for things simply as being teased for hair.

Assumptions you can't just take out of peoples minds.

But yes, your answer was correct, make their own group. That's when we get people that NEED to be in everything though or it's suddenly discrimination and they're going to start a mob because you didn't want to include them.

[Nethereal]

I love how you defaulted it in to girls even though I just said subject.

It shows we have assumed 'gender' for things simply as being teased for hair.

Assumptions you can't just take out of peoples minds.

But yes, your answer was correct, make their own group. That's when we get people that NEED to be in everything though or it's suddenly discrimination and they're going to start a mob because you didn't want to include them.

Yeah I would always assume people being made fun of for their hair are girls, boys & girls don't make fun of other boys hair unless they're balding, they make fun of girls hair.

[Rolder50]

Yeah I would always assume people being made fun of for their hair are girls, boys & girls don't make fun of other boys hair unless they're balding, they make fun of girls hair.

Plenty of guys get made fun of for things like male pattern baldness or facial hair that doesn't look good.

[Nethereal]

Plenty of guys get made fun of for things like male pattern baldness or facial hair that doesn't look good.

Yeah they do get made fun of for those things as well as not having enough hair. But in context of hair color I would say a boy could have any hair color and experience less teasing than if they were a girl.
Entirely my subjective opinion of course.

[Shuuli]

Yeah they do get made fun of for those things as well as not having enough hair. But in context of hair color I would say a boy could have any hair color and experience less teasing than if they were a girl.
Entirely my subjective opinion of course.

I don't think so... gigner boys are also made fun of... this hair thing is going way off topic honestly and has soon nothing to do with the actual topic.

[ThunderGodThor]

Plenty of guys get made fun of for things like male pattern baldness or facial hair that doesn't look good.

Being made fun of for being bald is the polar opposite of being made fun of for your hair though =)

[VforVendetta]

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[VforVendetta]

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