Paladin weakest Tank now

[Visanis]

This is incorrect, DRK in 4.X did more damage than Paladin

Wrong. Simply wrong.

Note that I said 4.0. In 4.0 and 4.1 DRK had the lowest dps by a fair amount while bringing nothing but TBN. If you still want to try to tell me that what I said is incorrect then you may want to go and look at some deltascape logs.

Try to actually understand what someone is saying before running your mouth

[NightHour]

bake in the 10% mitigation from Oblation.

Overall I like your ideas except for the oblation bit.

That goes against the whole point of TBN.

You want it to pop.

Baking in a 10% DR would make the shield harder to break.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Wrong. Simply wrong.

Note that I said 4.0. In 4.0 and 4.1 DRK had the lowest dps by a fair amount while bringing nothing but TBN. If you still want to try to tell me that what I said is incorrect then you may want to go and look at some deltascape logs.

Try to actually understand what someone is saying before running your mouth

And you fail to understand that 4.0 is essentially PTR where the devs use player feedback to make adjustments, look at SMN in 4.0, hot garbage, got buffed, NIN got nerfed after 4.0 due to players finding an optimal rotation, WAR got an entire rework, so you're talking bs. Also try take into consideration of the entire expansion, instead of nit picking to suit your argument, you essentially only brought a third of a point to argue, especially since Paladin got nerfed twice over the course SB.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Overall I like your ideas except for the oblation bit.

That goes against the whole point of TBN.

You want it to pop.

Baking in a 10% DR would make the shield harder to break.

It is why I suggested the reduced potency of the HP shield and removed the necessity for it to break, making it free mitigation which is what is it's current hang up. Also more I know there is gonna be some that would complain about the animation of Oblation going away, so was more of a compromise tbh.

[Kalaam]

TBN+ could have more than the 10% on top of a smaller shield. Could be that when the shield expires or break it applies a 10% damage reduction to everyone within 15yalm of the shieldbearer or something.

[Crater]

I don't think TBN should be robbed of its unique characteristics (which include its lower cooldown) in the service of making it easier to use. The class design just needs to stop penalizing you for actually taking advantage of that lower cooldown.

[ArthurATDayne]

I like how all roads lead to DRK, just like the Gods intended.

I also prefer to keep TBN the way it is and think increasing the CD to 25s is fucking stupid and that Oblation's 10% Reduced Damage taken should either stay as it is so that we DRK players can decide when to apply it or be an effect AFTER TBN Bubble pops or expires.

In practice, having Oblation as a supplement mitigation skill to TBN isn't so bad at all, in the right hands (like mines) it works out well, if the incoming tankbuster/aoe/mechanic is estimated to be severe then Oblation goes up at the same time TBN Shields are raised and initial damage gets mitigated by 10% while TBN's 25% Max HP Bubble negates the remaining damage so that personal HP Sustain (which DRK is weak on) isn't needed in that situation because the big hits were mostly mitigated+negated. Plus I get to hit back with Edge/Flood.

Currently I'm OK with DRK's personal HP Sustain in 1v1 situations but against 4+ Mob Packs I think having a little extra 200 heal potency on Unleash + Stalwart Soul combo would go a long way to smoothing out the AOE sustain experience without having to add a big On Demand heal. I'm already doing the 1-2-3 Soul Eater combo on packs in between maintaining AOE Aggro and Damage to heal up a bit to keep from going to 0 HP, might as well let me do the same thing with Unleash + Stalwart Soul.

[WhyAmIHere]

right so spamming one combo with the occasional bloodspiller should do more damage over an actual rotation sure thing Lyth.

if you wanna make an analogy...
who would you want to do a thing, someone who's only good at that one thing, or a guy who's passingly good at that thing but also a few other things?
I.E., which is more advantageous, being specialized in one area, or covering multiple fields to some degree, but never meeting the levels of the specialists?

[Tranquilmelody7]

Just make it so that you can pop TBN by simply pressing TBN again before the duration ends

[Deceptus]

Somebody asked in FC and I had a Eureka moment.

Fight or Flight needs to affect ALL damage, not just physical.

Especially now that such a significant portion of the PLD kit is magical.

Fight or Flight would line up perfectly with Requiescat windows.