Paladin weakest Tank now

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I remember in 4.0 when DRK was a solid 300-400 dps behind WAR and PLD and back then it was perfectly okay with everyone. Why is it now not okay that they are ahead by a similar margin in 6.0?

The double standards when it comes to damage numbers is laughable.

This is incorrect, DRK in 4.X did more damage than Paladin, but it brought nothing else of worth, and most people didn't like the Dark Arts spamming, when Paladin was just comfy and Cover was super good for most fights.

Also worth noting Paladin got nerfed during the first balancing patch of SB, and later again Shield Swipe and, Holy Spirit got a second nerf, so your claiming of double standard is full of s***.

If you want double standard, claiming utility means a job has to do less damage, remember Warrior existed in HW, that was a walking contradiction.

[Curisu]

Ohh no.
99.9% will probably not be effected by the DMG because they are not day 1 HC raiding.
It's all about preference and not DMG.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Ohh no.
99.9% will probably not be effected by the DMG because they are not day 1 HC raiding.
It's all about preference and not DMG.

So if it won't affect you, why do you even care what is said here, let those that do care, actually voice their concerns.

[NightHour]

DRK still has the best Tank CD in the game.

I think you need to get off the TBN Copium.

You can't compare TBN to Bloodwhetting, Holy Sheltron or Heart of Corundum, all 3 shit on TBN.

[Lyth]

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No, what you've written is by and large incorrect. I posted the damage output by percentile for tanks at multiple points across each tier in Stormblood, and the posts are still on this very forum.

PLD started out with a significant advantage over WAR and DRK, the two of which were roughly on par with each other. WAR was then buffed just before the start of the first raid tier, and PLD/WAR became the most common comp. A series of subsequent buffs pushed WAR ahead of PLD. DRK only started to catch up in the end following the 4.3 changes. And even when it did, it was fight dependent, and on the fights where DRK did pull ahead it was generally on the top few percentiles through raw skill and superior uptime.

Overall, PLD has always been designed to be a safer tank, right down to its aesthetics and player expectations. I think it's appropriate to reward DRK for being a higher risk playstyle. Why use a greatsword when a toothpick and cower, oops, I meant tower shield could suffice?

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

No, what you've written is by and large incorrect. I posted the damage output by percentile for tanks at multiple points across each tier in Stormblood, and the posts are still on this very forum.

PLD started out with a significant advantage over WAR and DRK, the two of which were roughly on par with each other. WAR was then buffed just before the start of the first raid tier, and PLD/WAR became the most common comp. A series of subsequent buffs pushed WAR ahead of PLD. DRK only started to catch up in the end following the 4.3 changes. And even when it did, it was fight dependent, and on the fights where DRK did pull ahead it was generally on the top few percentiles through raw skill and superior uptime.

Overall, PLD has always been designed to be a safer tank, right down to its aesthetics and player expectations. I think it's appropriate to reward DRK for being a higher risk playstyle. Why use a greatsword when a toothpick and cower, oops, I meant tower shield could suffice?

right so spamming one combo with the occasional bloodspiller should do more damage over an actual rotation sure thing Lyth.

[Lyth]

GNB is also a 'one combo' job. Too bad that both of these 'one combo' jobs have higher APM through oGCDs, along with actual resource management.

[NightHour]

TBN's BIGGEST problem is it costs 1/3rd of the DRK's damage resource.

You can legit fire and forget the other 3, you don't need 100% value out of BW, HS, HoC.


You MUST have TBN pop every single use or you lose 460 potency of damage every time the shield doesn't break.



Just increase TBN's cooldown to 25 seconds and remove the MP cost already.

MAYBE then it'll be able to stand up to BW, HS or HoC.



Another idea - Make it so the DRK gets the Dark Arts proc on expiration or shield being absorbed fully.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

TBN's BIGGEST problem is it costs 1/3rd of the DRK's damage resource.

You can legit fire and forget the other 3, you don't need 100% value out of BW, HS, HoC.


You MUST have TBN pop every single use or you lose 460 potency of damage every time the shield doesn't break.



Just increase TBN's cooldown to 25 seconds and remove the MP cost already.

MAYBE then it'll be able to stand up to BW, HS or HoC.



Another idea - Make it so the DRK gets the Dark Arts proc on expiration or shield being absorbed fully.

Honestly reduce the HP shield strength to 15%, bake in the 10% mitigation from Oblation, remove the 3000mp cost, give it a 25 second recast and when the shield breaks or times out gives a heal for 15% of max HP, and give Oblation the same but only works on party members, both share a recast, job done. Can just move Dark Arts to Carve and Spit or something.

[Lyth]

That sounds like an awful deal. I'd rather keep the ability the way it is and press the button at the correct time. If you want comfy, there's PLD for that.