Paladin weakest Tank now

[Kalaam]

Did we mention that DRK's invul kills him ?
That DRK is the tank that needs sustain the most yet the one that gets the less ?
PLD need for a damage buff is easy enough to adjust, it's just potency changes.

[Lyth]

DRK doesn't need sustain changes any more than PLD needs a damage buff.

[Crossu]

I get the feeling that DRK is the SAM/MCH/BLM of the tanks in this expansion extremely dependent on other while not giving much back but damage and basic tools while PLD is the one that does support the best at the price of damage.

[Undeadfire]

Paladin has the most robust kit in terms of utility, self-sustain, and mitigation. This in turn allows your healers to output more dps on your behalf, which is why things are balanced this way. You've already had two expansions as hands down the most dominant tank, heaven forbid that you're not the best tank at everything.

This is not good balancing. Warriors sustain is far beyond Paladins, seriously have you tried Bloodwhetting? You're almost invincible with it, Single/Multi target. Paladin, isn't going to solve DPS by slightly adding more DPS to Healers for having a little more utility than Gunbreaker.

Dark Knight/Gunbreaker combo completely destroys the DPS competition, Dark Knight may actually get a slight DPS nerf. No one is bringing Paladin, if it's DPS is far too low when you can just set in Warrior, with a Dark Knight, or Gunbreaker, Paladin, is getting DPS buffs one way, or another and that's a fact, it's too far behind Warrior/Gunbreaker, roughly 300 DPS difference.

And no completely incorrect as most dominant. Warrior was the dominant in Stormblood, Gunbreaker, was the must pick tank and dominant in SHBs. Paladin, only started beating Dark Knight, around Eden Promise.

[Lyth]

The funny thing is that despite all this bellyaching about damage output, PLD is still significantly more represented in runs than DRK. If they boost PLD's dps without significantly nerfing the rest of its kit, it's going to be even more lobsided than Stormblood was. I'm surprised that you're not embarrassed asking for even more of an advantage than you already have.

[Derio]

As it should be. It has the most utility out of all the tanks. People complaining about DRK damage being too high.

DRK has- The worse sustain out of all the tanks
- The worse invuln out of all the tanks
- The least amount of QOL addressed in EW out of all the tanks.

I am sure we will see buffs to PLD, but to expect it to be up near DRK and GNB is unrealistic.

[Duskane]

PLD should be lowest anyway its utility is amazing,
but just like in ShB tank dps isn't really the problem.

all for Drk being greedy dps but it would need something to counteract lack of sustain so it doesn't put too much strain on healers
like heal buff on Oblation,extra mitigation after TBN breaks,living dead not being a resource vacuum etc etc

[Undeadfire]

The funny thing is that despite all this bellyaching about damage output, PLD is still significantly more represented in runs than DRK.

Despite forum hate margin, Dark Knight is destroying the tank competition.

If they boost PLD's dps without significantly nerfing the rest of its kit, it's going to be even more lobsided than Stormblood was. I'm surprised that you're not embarrassed asking for even more of an advantage than you already have.

Uh-huh, please tell me more how Warrior still has the strongest Invuln, the strongest self healing, super strong in multiple patches except SHBs.

Shall I be embarrassed?

Bloodwhetting/Equlibrium: 3x more healing than Holy Sheltron/Holy Spirit put together, including Holy Sheltron Damage mitigation.
Bloodwhetting pop: All good healers I am invulnerable against most attacks for 8 seconds, every 30 seconds.
Equilibrium: Instant heal pop off and a Regen, Thrill multiplies it.
Holmgang 4 mins, 10 seconds now, vs 7 Min cooldown take no damage.
Currently better DPS in everyway.
Better aligned burst.
Shake is Veil, except Veil can be more time exploited.
Nascent Flash is 2x stronger than Intervention support.

Are you trolling?

Paladin is hardly picked in current content, it's horrible. Dark Knight/Gunbreaker comp is so strong, when you need more healing just bring Warrior over Gunbreaker. Currently Paladin, cannot do anything remotely amazing, or useful to warrant it's place than Savage Raid prog. Paladin needs DPS potency buffs matching up with Warrior/Gunbreaker.

Edit:

Dark Knight can remain at the top. And I'm switching to Dark Knight for the obvious reason.

[ArthurATDayne]

Most of the serious Dark Knight hate I've seen so far are in this forum and this particular topic, rest of the internet, especially FFXIV Reddit seem less extreme about it and also less hung up on nostalgia for HW and SB.

Like beyond the few people who keep mentioning how much they liked HW and SB DRK better, nobody gives a shit. I personally don't give a shit either.

Now granted, there are some abilities and design decisions I really dislike and will continue to give the DRK Devs shit for it i.e. fluff, button bloat, no HP Sustain beyond Soul Eater for single target and Abyssal Drain 60s CD for Mob Packs but overall, DRK is the only Tank Job that can keep up with my speed and responsiveness demands. PLD/WAR/GNB seem slow motion to me.

Originally I was going to main PLD for thematic, Confiteor Combo and self heal buff reasons but it just didn't feel good enough or responsive enough to keep up with me, same with WAR, only GNB was OK enough to be bearable so that's probably going to be the next Job to level to 90.

It's probably related to the way my Mechanical Keyboard & MMO Mouse setup is, everything is Keybinded sensibly so DRK is like a graceful destructive tank that turns on a dime and reacts as fast as the player thanks to all the oGCDs, which allows parallel actions GCD Combos and oGCD weavings to be done so easily and smoothly if the player can fully take advantage of it.

[Kalaam]

FFXIV reddit doesn't tolerate any criticism, even the most polite and constructive possible.
You can just question something, and you'll get downvoted to hell and beck.