People advertising they're running Parsers

[LianaThorne]

Personally I don't understand why we're using parsers in non-static based groups now. If that's just how it'll be now then fair, but hopefully those running the groups take the time to help those who join and don't meet the mark. I feel like kicking someone from a group based on numbers is harassment in some form or somehow breaking the ToS.

[Thoosa]

And the only time it should be allowed to have your dps called out is if you join a “clear” or a weekly clear party because for these you’re expected to know the mechanics and your rotation to beat the check.

It’s useful for me to know where I’m going wrong on my rotation, or if I need to move to a location earlier, etc. Normally when it’s happened to me in WoW and I reply “oh no, where am I going wrong” people are more often than not really helpful. You’ll always get one or two super toxic people, you just ignore them.

[Shurrikhan]

The problem is that parsing promotes toxicity

Except, it doesn't. It's a means of interaction/discovery. The problem doesn't go away just because you obfuscated it.

When shit's hitting the fan over a missed dps check, having only enmity and vague memories of who was doing what, rotationally and mechanically, doesn't stop fingers from being pointed. On the contrary, it turns finger-pointing into a step that'd otherwise be skipped over to "How do we make these mechanics easier on ourselves?" by parsers.

[Michieltjuhh]

Personally I don't understand why we're using parsers in non-static based groups now. If that's just how it'll be now then fair, but hopefully those running the groups take the time to help those who join and don't meet the mark. I feel like kicking someone from a group based on numbers is harassment in some form or somehow breaking the ToS.

Saying anything regarding someone else's performance is the harassment; regardless of how constructive the criticism is, it means you admitted to using third party software to determine whether they are playing their class correctly. You're not ALLOWED to help, so kicking without a word is the only option. Welcome to toxic casualism.

I like how people are calling for parsing to be removed altogether as well. In what world would that not kill the entire endgame scene, exactly? I don't know anyone that would have enjoyed raiding current content in FF14 without.

[Sceros]

I don't deem parsing neccessary. We got ways to test if our dps is sufficient without parsing.
Thing is, I don't mind people parsing stuff - as long as they keep quiet about it.

If any one, without asking, tells me stuff like "your healing was awesome, at over 8k hps, but your dps sucked, you were under 1k! - I will just report them. Because what is that doing? We just beat an extreme encounter and now .. what? I already know my healing was good enough because people didn't die to unavoidable damage despite me having solo healed what felt like half a fight. I do know too that my dps will have been rather low because except for the damage over time, I needed to conserve my mana to compensate for spending mana on rezzing my co-heal who was rather new to the encounter.

If this guy used this parsers for himself only .. Guess no one would have cared. But whenever I parse, I needa understand the game is about more then just some math and that my math and my thoughts on optimization might not be applicable to random groups. When people want to do serious parses, they should do so with likeminded friends in likeminded environments / raidgroups.

[LaylaTsarra]

I would think that admitting to the use of parsers in your party finder description will get people in trouble at some point. I've yet to see this but if it becomes common place I would suspect action will be taken against those accounts who are opening admitting to using them.

[Xrystofer]

Ok but literally no one is forcing you to join a "barse" party. People that join know what they're throwing themselves into.
How is that an issue?

Do you believe that toxicity and passive-aggressive remarks are acceptable because you accepted to join a parse group?

I don't want to deal with that, and I don't think that the majority of people enjoy having toxic behavior directed at them. At least with static groups you can leave the FC and avoid them.

[Rinhi]

The problem is that parsing promotes toxicity and the current rules keep that toxicity in check.

DPS/parsing was mentioned exactly twice, 2 (two) times, in the 2286 dungeons/trials I've done - and only one of the two was """toxic""", yet I'm very sure that at least half of those times, someone was running a parser

Also, I don't think that ruining someone's experience with toxic behavior is a non-issue. Most content in this game doesn't require optimal DPS. If you want to parse with your friends, kudos to you. Just don't bring it up in party finder.

no one's ruining anyone's experience with making a PF for parse runs, it hurts precisely nobody and all you're doing is trying to moral grandstand an issue that literally doesn't exist for whatever reason

all you're doing is trying to make a you issue (for whatever reason you might have), into everybody's issue because ???

Do you believe that toxicity and passive-aggressive remarks are acceptable because you accepted to join a parse group?

I don't want to deal with that, and I don't think that the majority of people enjoy having toxic behavior directed at them. At least with static groups you can leave the FC and avoid them.

first of all, if someone has an issue with parsing, why would they join a parsing PF?
second, someone that joins a parsing PF knows that they're looking for maximum damage and uptime, which brings me to my third point;
anybody who joins that pf knows that they'll get criticized if they make a mistake or their dps is too low for their job, considering they knew what they joined into, though I assume people will just silently kick those people instead of trying to give advice at this point
if you don't want to deal with it, don't deal with it? don't join those pfs? they're not forcing you or anyone else to join, yet that seems to be your whole point for whatever reason

It's against the TOS and shouldn't be there. Pretty simple really. At some point these people will be reported and banned. They can continue to risk their accounts but I would suggest they wake up before that happens.

it's stupid, sure, but how does that invalidate my point? the existence of those pf's hurt no one but possibly themselves due to reports, but no one forces anyone to join them and neither do they promote toxicity

Yup and this is stupid, because it helps no one. I can’t learn anything if I’m just kicked for no reason, and I’m left wondering why.

that's what the million learning parties are there for

last post on the matter because of daily post limit lmao

[LaylaTsarra]

no one's ruining anyone's experience with making a PF for parse runs,

It's against the TOS and shouldn't be there. Pretty simple really. At some point these people will be reported and banned. They can continue to risk their accounts but I would suggest they wake up before that happens.

[Thoosa]

Yup and this is stupid, because it helps no one. I can’t learn anything if I’m just kicked for no reason, and I’m left wondering why.