I love SMN

[Tylorien]

I like the new summoner, my only hope is that we finally get the other 3 elemental summons (Leviathan, Shiva, Ramuh) in an update after using phoenix trance. Hopefully as a future version update since the models already exist in game they just need to be adjusted in size. And maybe egi versions of leviathan and shiva have to be created from lv80-90 I am unsure if those models exist but at least Egi-Ramuh is in game.

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

Granted they'd have to be really careful with elemental balancing if they did this or everyone would probably just only summon titan.

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells, which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

Edit: Sidenote. I'm really surprised that I havent seen any glamoured carbuncles other than my own since this expansion went live. Everyone just seems to be running around with the standard blue carbuncle instead of yellow, red, or any of the egis O.o

[Burningskull]

So. I'm level 83 or 84 now and I have noticed some things. I read somewhere one the forums about Titan Egi and Ifrit Egi having to run up to their targets to use their attacks when you summon them. I didn't think it would be a big deal and it's not to much of one but if the enemy dies before it gets there it does tend to lolygag around and not attack. Could be solved in 1 of 2 ways. Ether have the summon appear at the enemy or make them ranged attacks.

I also think Rekindle. The Phoenix attack, should be a fire attack of some sort instead of a heal. Maybe one that places a shield on the party that deals damage if they are struck?

As for Carbuncle I don't mind that he doesn't attack. However maybe they could make Carbuncle attack when you attack with a GCD? Or have him do an attack when he comes back after you summon?

For the future of SMN I could see them going the route of giving you Ramuh, Leviathan and Shiva after your Phoenix phase at like level 96, and then at level 100 you get Demi-Alexander. But what gems to you get after Alexander? 3 random gems? Ifrit, Garuda and Titan? The Phoenix ones? Guess that's a few years off anyway lol.

[SieyaM]

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

Granted they'd have to be really careful with elemental balancing if they did this or everyone would probably just only summon titan.

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells, which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

Edit: Sidenote. I'm really surprised that I havent seen any glamoured carbuncles other than my own since this expansion went live. Everyone just seems to be running around with the standard blue carbuncle instead of yellow, red, or any of the egis O.o

I would love more than anything to get the onyx Carbuncle that Alph had back in ShB as a glamour. Right now all my summons are Carbuncle glamours and while I love summoner, I almost feel more like an Eevee pokemon trainer at the moment.

[Sheepona]

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

That is EXACTLY what we have. Once you learn a fight you choose which one to summon for the situation



You have a vast misunderstanding of the way current SMN works and the rotation of the primals.

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells

1. Garuda is the highest DPS, followed by Titan, and Ifrit last.

which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

2. You should be using ALL primals AND their attunements as fast as possible and they all fit perfectly between your Demi phase with maybe a Ruin III or two.

3. You are level 80 SMN stop casting judgement on a class rework that you LITERALLY haven't played. You don't get the final augment to your attunement skills until 86. Which upgrades astral flow

[Tylorien]

That is EXACTLY what we have. Once you learn a fight you choose which one to summon for the situation



You have a vast misunderstanding of the way current SMN works and the rotation of the primals.



1. Garuda is the highest DPS, followed by Titan, and Ifrit last.



2. You should be using ALL primals AND their attunements as fast as possible and they all fit perfectly between your Demi phase with maybe a Ruin III or two.

3. You are level 80 SMN stop casting judgement on a class rework that you LITERALLY haven't played. You don't get the final augment to your attunement skills until 86. Which upgrades astral flow

On that first bit I think you're slightly misunderstanding what I meant. I am aware you can use them in any order you want, what I mean is using the SAME primal 2-3 times consecutively instead of having to use all 3. Also I've played summoner pretty much exclusively since this rework went live. Just because I'm not level 90 doesn't mean I haven't played it. It just means I don't have endwalker atm.

I am aware that at level 86 I would get garuda's astral flow ability which I would obviously use after summoning her.

I never said I didn't summon garuda (obviously you're going to pop all 3 primals), or that I didn't ever use her attunements, just that doing so felt extremely situational and at times there was no reason to do so. I was specifically referring to garuda's gemshine and brilliance abilities, which have significantly lower potencies than ruin and tri-disaster even at their maximum listed upgrades, meaning you would only cast them when you need to move and aren't already on gcd. I also wasn't passing judgement, I absolutely love the rework, I was just commenting on something that felt a bit strange to me that is still in effect at max level unless there is some hidden passive that isnt listed in abilities or traits that buffs garuda.

For context, the maximum potency of ruin 3 is 310, while emerald rite is 230. This is what I was talking about. The reason that feels weird to me is because topaz rite, which is also instant cast like emerald rite, is also a straight upgrade over ruin 3. That is what I meant when I said, use garuda for the big cooldowns and sit in titan for mobility, because it only takes 2 globals to spent garudas arcanum and astral flow and titan's four attunement charges will probably last you through any mobility you need, but if you need 8 instant cast spells you'd obviously want to use all of garudas attunements too, but you don't have to consume them just because you summoned her.

Edit: It has however, since I made the original post been pointed out to me that while ER has a noticeably lower potency it also has a lower GCD, but that is bit that I hadn't noticed has nothing to do with my character level and more to do with not being prompted to look at the gcd :P That knowledge does not make it feel less weird though, at least by much. It's not really something I felt enough to notice whenever I'd cast the spell.