New summoner is unacceptable

[Skiros]

So the common complaints I see are that:

1. Carby does nothing (literally)
2. We lack an instacast Ruin of any kind anymore
3. Ifrit lowers DPS because of needing to Swiftcast
4. Needs a another/better OGCD

If all of that were addressed, would new SMN not suck in the eyes of the discontented?

None of those meaningfully impact gameplay other than point 4. So no, if those are addressed, I still wouldn't be happy with new SMN, because to me those aren't the core issues with the job.

[Fyffer]

So the common complaints I see are that:

1. Carby does nothing (literally)
2. We lack an instacast Ruin of any kind anymore
3. Ifrit lowers DPS because of needing to Swiftcast
4. Needs a another/better OGCD

If all of that were addressed, would new SMN not suck in the eyes of the discontented?

What? We have lime ruin, lemon ruin, bahamut ruin, and pheonix ruin. None of those have cast times. Only cherry ruin and vanilla ruin have cast times.

[Chocobits]

None of those meaningfully impact gameplay other than point 4. So no, if those are addressed, I still wouldn't be happy with new SMN, because to me those aren't the core issues with the job.

What is/are your primary complaint(s) outside of those?

[Skiros]

What is/are your primary complaint(s) outside of those?

I mean it's already explained in OP.

[Lloyd777]

@Melorie Damn the imagination of some ppl. How egocentric can you be to think is what others ppl said. (In before the condescending response )

[IdowhatIwant]

So the common complaints I see are that:

1. Carby does nothing (literally)
2. We lack an instacast Ruin of any kind anymore
3. Ifrit lowers DPS because of needing to Swiftcast
4. Needs a another/better OGCD

If all of that were addressed, would new SMN not suck in the eyes of the discontented?

1. meh
2. wrong.
3. I think this is untested.
4. Needs addressed.

I agree with OP it feels unfinished personally its hard to put a finger on what is needed. I like an idea some one posted about building up into Bahamut vs starting off with it.
Ruin 4 feels terrible and should be replaced or changed.

[zcrash970]

1. Bahamut/phoenix cd is based on on spell speed and not a strict 60cd. This allows both to drift out of 60sec and 120 buff windows that a party will provide

2. This even applies to our own buff, Searing Light. We will have to delay bahamut or delay the CD or we are waiting on both.

3. This points out the fault of carby. It hinders us severally. After every summon it returns to us so we need to position it every time we want to use searing light. Which can potentially delay our cd because carby is slow. As well depending on what summon you are using can be hetic to place carby

4. Phoenix is a dps loss for flavor and utility you cannot use when you need to

5. Ifrit design is weak for no reason and should technically be the strongest since we have to get it into melee range and two long casts. We are going to have to reserve swiftcast for this.

6. Summon animations can obscure visual mechanics.

7. Ruin 4 is very awkward and easily forgettable. It serves no point in our rotation outside of a pointless extra mobility option.

8. We have a ton of instant cast but nothing to fill the gap with. You get two festers that are immediately burned off in bahamut/phoenix

I can go on further about the leveling process and gameplay of the class if needed but I wanted to keep it focused on lvl90 issues. This is also precursory because I haven't really done my own math

[Ralts]

Yeah, summoner feels horrible to play now, i don't even have any idea where to put all the skills and for some reason summoned pets use the same skill you use for basic combo but a different button... like why, just combine them and upgrade the basic skills while summons are up.... gemshine and precious brilliance are bad.... just remove them please.

Feels like another rework is needed, this job doesn't feel complete at all and very confusing to play.

Sounds more like a you problem, tbh.

[Sunako]

I have played few days now and it is really hard to fail new rotation. SMN have never been easier to play. Perfect job for new players, but expect more experienced players get bored of it very soon.

[Ayer2015]

While I still enjoy the rework, I will agree that Ruin 4 seems rather tacked on in its current implementation. Also, Bahamut and Phoenix could use further distinction in their function.

For example, allow the player to decide between summoning Bahamut or Phoenix. Have summon Bahamut provide 4 stacks of further ruin, and give Phoenix abilities cast-times with some additional benefit to promote its use.