Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

[Mychael]

it would be nice if at least the traits from the secondary class applied
(Although all of this is speculation and none of us will know anything until next week... except for the pretentious douchebags... they seem to have worked out every single detail before hand)

For instance:
BLM got to use the "Increased MP gained from featherfoot" trait from PGL
WAR got to use the "Enhanced Flash" trait from Glad
MNK got "increased TP gain," "Increased Attack"' and "Increased Invig" traits from Lancer?
PLD and Bard got "increased healing," "Protect raises magic defense" and "Raise with no weakness" traits from CNJ

This is HIGHLY unlikely but definitely belongs in the "Wouldn't it be nice" category

And WHM gets to use blind from flash? <_<; Or maybe AoE rampart.. which would be great if AoE rampart didn't = CNJ tank when I try to rampart.

Barring WHM, I agree that it would be nice, though. xD

[Rydin]

And WHM gets to use blind from flash? <_<; Or maybe AoE rampart.. which would be great if AoE rampart didn't = CNJ tank when I try to rampart.

Barring WHM, I agree that it would be nice, though. xD

Yea.. I didn't mention CNJ cause it was kind of weird like that
Who wouldn't benefit from some extra DEF though?

[Mychael]

Yea.. I didn't mention CNJ cause it was kind of weird like that
Who wouldn't benefit from some extra DEF though?

Well I would hope that I never get hit as WHM... because I'll probably keep soloing as CNJ. :< It's just like featherfoot/BLM. enhanced featherfoot would be beautiful for THM, but for BLM? you shouldn't be dodging anything.. >.>;

My speculation/hope is that these reqs aren't entirely tied to cross-classing. Fiosha (I think Fiosha... lol) may have been onto something when she said that the WHM quest may make us understand the wounds incurred by the wrath of war or something (and what better class than the tank class to make us understand?. :P But that doesn't mean I want to be stuck with sentinel/rampart/flash/shield bash/aegis boon instead of useful abilities like Resonance/Dark Seal/Sanguine Rite/Thunder/Fire.. :S

EI do like the sound of AoE Rampart as WHM, I just wish I could nullify the insane enmity...

[Rydin]

Well I would hope that I never get hit as WHM... because I'll probably keep soloing as CNJ. :< It's just like featherfoot/BLM. enhanced featherfoot would be beautiful for THM, but for BLM? you shouldn't be dodging anything.. >.>;

I don't care what anyone says... If it is possible to play as a job while solo... Im gonna do it....

[NoctisUmbra]

I don't care what anyone says... If it is possible to play as a job while solo... Im gonna do it....

It's possible. It's meant for large parties, but technically nothing preventing you from equipping the stone and switching to a job.

The video demonstrating the spell casting changes had a solo BLM.

[Rydin]

It's possible. It's meant for large parties, but technically nothing preventing you from equipping the stone and switching to a job.

The video demonstrating the spell casting changes had a solo BLM.

you're probably right... I just try not to infer too much from a video on the dev's private test server

And regardless what they tell us... I don't ever want to be a class again after I get all jobs

[Alhanelem]

Thanks very much for the update. Always nice to get info like this.

Have to admit though, some of those reqs don't make sense to me. Oh well, I have all the reqs already anyway.

The secondary class requirements seem to be based on two things: the job for which it is the primary class required, and the main attributes that class uses for effectiveness. For instance, Conjurer is the main class for white mage, and their type of magic ties in with the magic a Paladin has historically used in FF.

For black mage, pugilist may be a secondary because it uses some of the same stats for its combat effectiveness.

[miyakai]

They never explicitly said that all the actions from the secondary class would be available, or that those woule be the only ones accessible.

You must have missed the part where they explicitly said:

You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job.

Summary: The actions available to the secondary Lv.15 class required for a job quest will be available for said job. In this example, he's making a pretty straight-forward implication that Paladin will have access to Heavy Swing, Foresight, Brutal Swing, Bloodbath, Skull Sunder, and Provoke. (All Lv.1~15 MRD non-exclusive actions)

Now, replace "Marauder" with "Pugilist" and replace "Paladin" with "Black Mage" and you might see what I mean...

You have the pugilist as a background class before you become a black mage. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the black mage.

That's why it's a logical conclusion, based on this information, to expect at least some of: Pummel, Featherfoot, Second Wind, Concussive Blow, and Blindside to be part of Black Mage's arsenal... which doesn't sound right. These are only Lv.1~15 Pugilist actions that are not even exclusive. No one said anything about every Pugilist action being available, just the cross-class-capable ones within the level range required for unlocking the job... but none of them really fit Black Mage's intent in the first place.

[Zezlar]

Just got my Pugilist up to 15 so I can play as Dragoon. Thanks for the heads up Bayohne!

[Firon]

You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job.

@ miyakai That does not say "You can only use MRD skills" Its says those two classes are tied together someway.