Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

[Serenity]

You guys looking into the second class req to much lol, it's just there to unlock the job that's it.

It's possible. I am known to over think things. But there have been several sources (a few I couldn't find in the translations thread from a long while ago by yoshida and a few vague clues I found in the same location) That lead me to believe that, even if a class isn't locked to only the sub classes abilities for cross classing, the sub class is definately intended to help the job with some of it's basic abilities.

Originally Posted by Dai
個人的には、ジョブになった場合の「他クラスアクションのセット制限」がどういうものになるかが気になります。
単純にセット許容数がクラスに比べて少ない（半減の5個）という形になるのか、それとも特定クラスのアクション（ナイトなら剣+幻のみ）のアクションしかセットできないという形になるのか、そのあたりもトピックスで先行公開してほしいところです。
Personally I'm wondering about the limitation of putting other class actions when becoming a Job. Would it be basically where the amount of actions you can put compared to class would be less? (Ex: 5 being half) or would it be where you can only put on certain classes actions (Ex: If Paladin can only put GLA + CON) would like for you to announce this in the topics as well.

Originally posted by Triary
想像されている通りの内容でおおよそあっています。
詳細は近日公開予定のトピックスでお伝えしますので、今しばらくお待ちください。
What you're guessing is pretty much correct.
For more details we are planning to announce in the topics so please hang in there.

The one I couldn't remember I believe was from Yoshida, I looked hard for the source but couldn't find it. But he said something along the lines of "to unlock, say warrior. you would have marauder 30 and gladiator 15 to have the abilities from gladiator". Weather that means your locked to GLA only or not who knows.

[Murugan]

It's possible. I am known to over think things. But there have been several sources (a few I couldn't find in the translations thread from a long while ago by yoshida and a few vague clues I found in the same location) That lead me to believe that, even if a class isn't locked to only the sub classes abilities for cross classing, the sub class is definately intended to help the job with some of it's basic abilities.





The one I couldn't remember I believe was from Yoshida, I looked hard for the source but couldn't find it. But he said something along the lines of "to unlock, say warrior. you would have marauder 30 and gladiator 15 to have the abilities from gladiator". Weather that means your locked to GLA only or not who knows.

My guess is he was responding to the first part.

We have 10 cross class abilities, we get 6 job abilities, that leaves us with 4 cross class abilities. I don't see why they would lock them to only the classes that unlock the job, so I assume the simplest explanation is the right one.

[Serenity]

My guess is he was responding to the first part.

We have 10 cross class abilities, we get 6 job abilities, that leaves us with 4 cross class abilities. I don't see why they would lock them to only the classes that unlock the job, so I assume the simplest explanation is the right one.

I'm just speculating with everyone else (also, it's 5 job abilities so 5 cross class's available).

I guess for me though, the trade off of the job stones in a balance sense (both from passive traits gained and abilities from job stones) would be to lose versatility. Allowing 5 free slots aside from the 5 job abilities I don't feel is enough of a detraction for all that you're gaining. I also don't feel that allowing all jobs(not classes) to set cure, second wind, Invigorate, blood for blood, and Chameleon helps preserve the jobs focus.

Based on what has been said by SE, I see classes as a solo/smallgroup versatile option where as jobs are Focused party roles. Ex. Warrior loses the ability to use Cure and second wind to maximize hate/tanking and damage, while passing the healing responsibilities onto the more potent WHM healer. But again that's just my personal opinion.

I found the comment by Yoshida I was looking for:

EDIT:

JPGAMES.DE, Michael: Recently you mentioned combined jobs, what can you tell us about it and what jobs could that be?

Yoshida Naoki: The requirement to get these jobs is to do a job quest, but to do a job quest, there is a special requirement too. If you want to become a paladin, you need to have a class level 30 of gladiator and 15 of marauder. Then you can apply to this job quest and then, if you complete it, you can unlock that job, so it is not really like combining classes. It is more like a requirement.


For example, paladin will be a really special job for tanking. To make sure that he gets those abilities, he will need do more different quests to get those abilities. You are going to protect others, but that’s not all. You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job. Even if you had more classes in the past, these are not related to the paladin and can’t be used.

Despite the required classes from his example not being the actual requirement, it is clear to me he's saying that the class abilities from the sub class will be used for the job.

[miyakai]

This is exactly why the combinations of something like THM/PGL = BLM are odd.

Sure the conceptual elemental magic/damage thing makes some sense... but the resulting BLM having access to actions like Featherfoot, Second Wind, and Blindside is what makes considerably less sense.

[NoctisUmbra]

This is exactly why the combinations of something like THM/PGL = BLM are odd.

Sure the conceptual elemental magic/damage thing makes some sense... but the resulting BLM having access to actions like Featherfoot, Second Wind, and Blindside is what makes considerably less sense.

Assuming that's how cross-class limitations will work.

[Teknoman]

Some actions from required classes still might not be accessible. Honestly I cant wait till the full spread of information is available.

[miyakai]

The ones I listed aren't PGL-exclusives to begin with. No reason they wouldn't be available since they specifically said that the actions from the two classes required for a job quest would be part of the job. Yeah, yeah, we'll see the details next week, but this is based on the actual information we were given... instead of just assumptions.

[NoctisUmbra]

The ones I listed aren't PGL-exclusives to begin with. No reason they wouldn't be available since they specifically said that the actions from the two classes required for a job quest would be part of the job. Yeah, yeah, we'll see the details next week, but this is based on the actual information we were given... instead of just assumptions.

They never explicitly said that all the actions from the secondary class would be available, or that those woule be the only ones accessible.

A JP rep simply responded that a user was on the right track when asking if we'd be limited to 5 cross class skills instead of 10 or limited in which classes we can take from. Nothing explicit there. Certainly no suggestion that even if limited in classes, that we are limited only to the sub class.

[Rydin]

it would be nice if at least the traits from the secondary class applied
(Although all of this is speculation and none of us will know anything until next week... except for the pretentious douchebags... they seem to have worked out every single detail before hand)

For instance:
BLM got to use the "Increased MP gained from featherfoot" trait from PGL
WAR got to use the "Enhanced Flash" trait from Glad
MNK got "increased TP gain," "Increased Attack"' and "Increased Invig" traits from Lancer?
PLD and Bard got "increased healing," "Protect raises magic defense" and "Raise with no weakness" traits from CNJ

This is HIGHLY unlikely but definitely belongs in the "Wouldn't it be nice" category

[silverdragontyr]

I still have my hopes each job will simply get their own traits.