New summoner is unacceptable

[Yubie]

I have no problem with the removal of dots or making the job overall giga easy.

I have a problem with making carbuncle completely cosmetic. It just...sits there. Just as easily the 2 spells (shield and group buff) are tied to it, you could just... make it not.

I understand the old version had issues such as input delays, but if you just make it auto attack only there shouldnt be a real issue. Please i Just want to have a combat pet in some capacity and not just watch my carbuncle wiggle beside me being useless.

[Vladrick]

From what I have tried of Summoner. I actually prefer it now - more than ever. It feels less like a clone of other jobs from other games that came before it and more like it has its own identity. The fact that my carbuncle is only there for support is more traditional for a Carbuncle in the franchise as a whole anyway. They normally pop out, shield or buff you. Then go away. So the fact that that's all it can do now is more fitting to what it's always been known for doing. I feel like an actual Summoner now! Constantly summoning things - with the added benefit of being able to channel those summons powers for a duration of time or a certain number of stacks. It may be less complicated, and easier now than it ever has been. But it is so nice to see it come into its own, with its own identity. Not just some clone of a pet using class from other games.

[Vladrick]

I'm enjoying 6.0 summoner so far at 8x but have a few nitpicks.

- I miss instant cast ruin 2 for moments when the mob/boss is at 0.5% and I'm all out of instants. There is nothing to do but cry and press ruin IV and see the cast cancelled anyway because someone auto attacked it to death.
- Carby is pretty much useless.... and isn't summoned when you sync down... He's there to look pretty but give him something to do please???
- Egi summons pathfinding for their initial hit is... sad. They move slowly (titan and ifrit), will run back to you when their mob dies before they can land the hit and then run to the next mob.
- Atherflow and the two skills are very extra. It feels clunky to have to juggle it alongside the normal rotation.

Unfortunately though, if they remove Aetherflow and Ressurection for Summoners - that would mean it would be removed from Arcanist... which would also remove them for Scholar as well. I think it's just easier to keep them for Arcanist though. Because they don't have as many options for damage like a Summoner does.

[DontReadThis]

My only criticism is how useless Carbuncle feels. It doesn't do anything at all. I'm sure it would have been completely removed if it wasn't so marketable and wasn't so deeply linked to the identity of the Arcanist class.

I just want it to do something, anything. I'd even be fine with giving it selene/eos' embrace ability. That would help strengthen the link between SMN and SCH, and it would help open the door for SCH to get a fairy glamour command to turn their fairies into carbuncles.

[kipper_T]

Honestly, I really like the reworked summoner. I feel like they've created an incredibly mobile mage based class with it. As for complexity and rotation, sure it's on the simpler side, and that's why you've got blm if you want extra complexity.

For what it's worth, I think there are certain important timing things that you need to take into consideration. Making sure you hit your damage buff before you summon bahamut, making sure you get your ifrit rotation inside the damage buff, making sure you are using the fester in the right place, as well as addle. It takes two hotbars for me, and I definitely don't have ruin spam right at the start. Look, if you are in the early levels of course it's going to be simple (all of the jobs are) but that's always been the case. You don't get your full rotation at lvl 1, and shouldn't expect to do so either.

I like it and enjoy playing it.

[Rin_Kuroi]

I noticed the level 90 elemental summons don't have the same problems as the pre-90 egi's. When a level 90 primal is summoned, it spawns next to the player then does it attack right where is spawns. No travel times and the AoE is centered on the player's target. So the level 90 elemental summons work like pre-90 garuda. This is great.

I think this is my final verdict. The job is acceptable but only at level 90. I think crimson strike absolutely needs to be moved off the GCD. Then something needs to be done to make summoning the elemental summons a bit more fluid. I think I will stick with the summoner as my main but I will definitely be leveling some alts to do pre-90 content.

[Rolder50]

Been leveling SMN a bit on the side and oof, there's not much here

[NaesakiAshwell]

I noticed the level 90 elemental summons don't have the same problems as the pre-90 egi's. When a level 90 primal is summoned, it spawns next to the player then does it attack right where is spawns. No travel times and the AoE is centered on the player's target. So the level 90 elemental summons work like pre-90 garuda. This is great.

I think this is my final verdict. The job is acceptable but only at level 90. I think crimson strike absolutely needs to be moved off the GCD. Then something needs to be done to make summoning the elemental summons a bit more fluid. I think I will stick with the summoner as my main but I will definitely be leveling some alts to do pre-90 content.

I have to assume thats just a relic of how the egi's functioned as a pet, since they are basically doing the same old animations as when you commanded them to do those attacks. They basically just need to apply what the garuda-egi does, to the ifrit & titan egis. Hopefully its something that will be adjusted, though at least with the 90 one's thats not an issue but should definitely apply retroactively.

[CerusSerenade]

Thank god for the summoner changes, old summoner was genuinely unpleasant to play.

[EverQuest]

New sunmoner is fantastic. Actually feels like a sunmoner. Rotation is easy to learn and logical.