New summoner is unacceptable

[FoxyAreku]

Was only a matter of time before Summoner was made as simple as most of the other jobs, I can't say I'm surprised.

Everything got hit with the simplification ray this expansion, when shadowbringers had already made most jobs mind-numbingly simple. It's appalling.

[Chocobits]

Toxic for disagreeing with you isn’t toxic. Just a fyi

Nobody said it was. Toxic for being toxic. Common sense. Also nice contrapoints. Or lack thereof. Very engaging and productive types of discussions you are (not) having.

[Chocobits]

Your solution doesn't work for everyone, because out of all the jobs there were a grand total of two that I actually enjoyed.
Right now I'm just putting up with the mess of a job that this is until they hopefully fix the glaring design flaws so I'm not fighting against the one job I have been playing since I started.

It's also incredibly rude to tell people to "find another job" if some could only play one or maybe a second job that they actually liked.
I love myself some magic users but I loathe healing, but I disagree with Black Mage's favouritism not to mention how I have been treated in ARR and to an extend to this day due to the caster environment. Red Mage is absolutely not my thing and it just doesn't bring me any sort of enjoyment nor do I even enjoy it's magicks.

This is just "me me me waa waa waa. Me as a vocal minority am displeased and that demands actionable results!"

Summoner isn't changing. This patch ADDRESSED the design flaws of Summoner; not created any. If you find the suggestion to change jobs rude, I suppose you would find the suggestion to find another game even ruder.

[Chocobits]

Was only a matter of time before Summoner was made as simple as most of the other jobs, I can't say I'm surprised.

Everything got hit with the simplification ray this expansion, when shadowbringers had already made most jobs mind-numbingly simple. It's appalling.

It wasn't simplified, because it was never complex. It was consolidated. Streamlined. A job in FFXIV shouldn't be anything like a real job, where there are metrics on keystrokes that determine if you are succeeding. The game was too busy to be fully appreciated by the majority. This change would not have happened were it not for the majority of feedback requesting it. It wasn't some rogue dev that snuck it in because they are bad at rotations. ARR from the get-go has been a pandering experience, and so any changes made were due to overwhelming request.

[Rolder50]

Summoner isn't changing. This patch ADDRESSED the design flaws of Summoner; not created any. If you find the suggestion to change jobs rude, I suppose you would find the suggestion to find another game even ruder.

Lmao what? You'd have to be either blind or deliberately obtuse to not see the design flaws that were created in the rework. Not to mention things that were "fixed" like ghosting are still a problem.

[Miles064]

This change was a long time coming tbh. When things get streamlined, they tend to become more simple. The problem I feel is that too many are hung up on if something is "complex" when the complexity can be caused by something being clunky. Did the devs intend old smn to have to stutter step or stand still to not lose wyrmwaves because bahamut would worry more about being next to you than attacking even though he couldn't be hurt anyway? How about the fact that titan egi couldn't even do it's job anymore because the stuff added after it would make it fade away while we built even more of a aggro lead on it. How much did smn have only because acn had it? If it wasnt for being tied to acn I'd imagine smn would have never had dots outside of a smn putting them on.

I do like the new smn compared to the old one for sure, but i do feel that it does feel a bit empty. Like a WoW spec without any of the talent rows filled. Instead of giving us +potency traits dotted all over the place it would have been nice to have trait "choices". Something that lets me customize the class a bit. Keep the simple for those who enjoy it and let me add a bit more on top if I choose without needing to just pick another class altogether. As I'm sure other have pointed out it has a solid foundation to work with. Whether or not SE will do anything with is another thing entirely though.

[Skiros]

Nobody said it was. Toxic for being toxic. Common sense. Also nice contrapoints. Or lack thereof. Very engaging and productive types of discussions you are (not) having.

This is just "me me me waa waa waa. Me as a vocal minority am displeased and that demands actionable results!"

How does one lack so much self-awareness?

[Somnolence]

Summoner is fun. Rework is for the better. As for complexity, in ShB it was braindead already.

[Clicked]

Maybe they can find some way for Aetherflow to actually mesh with the rest of the job's kit to add some decision making. It's still this random side-mechanic that adds nothing to the job really.

[zcrash970]

You're already 90 and know how it plays?

Yes, yes I do and I'm already bored of it. I feel like there's nothing more to it. Once you get the lvl86 trait, that's it. The job doesn't evolve anymore and trait doesn't really add much.

The job is just poorly designed