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    PaulH's Avatar
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    Dru Hutton
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    Scholar Lv 100

    Endwalker Scholar

    Level 82 I am liking Broil 4 and Art of War 2

    Anyway going about levelling and glad I did first from 2.0 Beta to current. I know there are alot of problems but meh - keep on trucking.

    Fairy skills for me feel VERY responsive on things i have done so far so very happy.
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    Last edited by PaulH; 12-04-2021 at 08:02 AM. Reason: fairy skills

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    Szylver's Avatar
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    Lalita Lolita
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    i notice less delay with fairy abilities, but in general i notice less delay. like the game runs more fluidly. Maybe the update of servers work a lot better for people like me that play from South America/brasil idk.
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    Kya'ru Fefelah
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    The fairy responds really quick, but it still suffers from a huge delay when you cast whispering dawn and fey illumination back-to-back.

    Seraph still digs out when you try to cast consolation right before she times out.

    Removed MP from energy drain and left that measly HP gain; why???
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    Alphyn Vyrs
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaruo View Post
    The fairy responds really quick, but it still suffers from a huge delay when you cast whispering dawn and fey illumination back-to-back.

    Seraph still digs out when you try to cast consolation right before she times out.

    Removed MP from energy drain and left that measly HP gain; why???
    To get people to stop using their AF stacks for damage when they want players to use them for the heals. I disagree with how they went about this though, cuz now keeping AF on CD is more important and thereby more punishing if you screw it up, which is super simple to avoid but for a role they absolutely want to be less punishing they just made SCH potentially more punishing for people who want to pick up and learn SCH. If they wanted to incentivize the healer stratagems they should have shifted the MP restore to them. An AST is gonna play cards anyways hence why they gave draw a MP restore. A SCH is gonna use AF stacks anyways and if they REALLY wanted to dis-incentivize ED usages they should have just shifted the MP recovery to the healer stratagems or added a new Barrier stratagem with a MP restore, that way you aren't over healing and doing what you should be doing anyways as a shield healer which is provide shields. I really hope they revert ED MP restore, the fact its 100 potency per ED now makes it really dumb as a damage ability. All 3 of them equals about 1 Broil (using ShB potencies cuz i cant recall the EW potencies for Broil off the top of my head).

    And I would rather the MP restore be on the healer stratagems or my dumb hypothetical barrier one ideally. But reverting ED is the simplest fix they could do to address it, especially since the first thing you do upon rez is hit AF to try and top yourself and your party back up. But now that AF is the only MP restore/manipulation within the Job itself its gonna lead to SCHs getting rez'd using AF then getting KO'd again except next time they rez its on CD. AF gating your best heals and your only non role MP restoration is just a bit too much of a bottle neck in my eyes.

    Still gonna play SCH but I can see potential issues arising from their ED change that might necessitate them to fix it, an opportunity that could be afforded to other areas of SCH/another Job who needs adjustments like DRK for example.
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    Last edited by Alpheus; 12-04-2021 at 01:36 PM.

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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    To get people to stop using their AF stacks for damage when they want players to use them for the heals. I disagree with how they went about this though, cuz now keeping AF on CD is more important and thereby more punishing if you screw it up, which is super simple to avoid but for a role they absolutely want to be less punishing they just made SCH potentially more punishing for people who want to pick up and learn SCH. If they wanted to incentivize the healer stratagems they should have shifted the MP restore to them. An AST is gonna play cards anyways hence why they gave draw a MP restore. A SCH is gonna use AF stacks anyways and if they REALLY wanted to dis-incentivize ED usages they should have just shifted the MP recovery to the healer stratagems or added a new Barrier stratagem with a MP restore, that way you aren't over healing and doing what you should be doing anyways as a shield healer which is provide shields. I really hope they revert ED MP restore, the fact its 100 potency per ED now makes it really dumb as a damage ability.
    Energy Drain works as an AF stack dump in theory. They removed the MP recovery effect but retained the 100 potency damage which, with the fact that its an oGCD means using it is a DPS gain.

    Therefore, SCH will prioritize using AF stacks as a DPS tool for optimization.

    If they truly wanted to make SCH use their p for healing they would have removed ED's damage and left its MP recovery effect, that way a skilled scholar would use Energy Drain to maximize their MP recovery before re using Aetherflow without sacrificing any dps gain.
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    I like the new Art of War sound effect. The theming of SCH is still all over the place though, with the colder technologic feel of Broil and AoW feeling a bit out of place now that Sage is a thing, IMO. The fairy seems to be more responsive though ghosting is still present, and I've noticed that she sometimes still can get confused when you tell her to use Fey Union and has to sit there for a moment or two before she decides to do it. From what little EW content I've healed (just the first dungeon, my progress has been slow, can't get on with all these 2002s) I've enjoyed it a lot, the first dungeon had a lot for me to heal (though that may just be due to me not being great).
    It's going to be hard to break the habit of Ruin II + ED for weaves though, I've had to catch myself while trying to weave heals via Ruin II instead of just using Broil. I'm also not a fan of the removal of MP management from Energy Drain, one of the things I do not like about Sage is the MP recovery being tied to using Addersgall heals instead of having a stack dump. Aetherflow feels better to manage than Addersgall in general, though that's a topic for another thread.
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    Gunther Frey
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    Scholar Lv 90
    From my experience so far it's felt incredible compared to ShB scholar. More or less most of the things I speculated where the case in the past came to fruition.

    Starting with the Broil cast time: As I speculated in the past that was a massive factor in the quality of life, with it returning the faerie heals to having no cost (except for Fey Union, but we'll get to that in a moment.) and reducing the inherent cost of using deployment tactics it's allievated so much clunk from the flow of the class.

    Faerie Responsiveness: I was worried that this wouldn't end up being the case going into endwalker but under a majority of the time the faerie begins the animation for their action the moment your character starts to do their "point at the glyph" animation. The only time I've noticed a delay was if i gave a command right as she was doing an embrace animation, but even then it was not as much of a delay as it was in shadow-bringers. As far as ghosting, the only time I've personally witness the faerie ghosting was when i commanded Seraph right before she left the field. Under most circumstances, however, whatever delay the faerie has has been offset by the way single weaving on Broil naturally spreads out the commands.

    Faerie Potency: I have not done the exact testing, but I have seemed to notice that was all the current values Fey Blessing feels much stronger then it did in SHB, a friend of mine stated that the consensus seems to be that faeries are back to a much higher conversation rate of stats like in the past, but i unfortunately have not checked for myself to confirm so. THe reduced pet potencies across the board seem to be inline with the pet having full stats conversion.

    Energy Drain and Fey Union: Fey Union actually feels like a worthwhile ability to use now. The animation is significantly faster then it used to be, and once you stockpile a decent enough amount of guage I've been finding it a tool i'm constantly toggling on and off to heal with. It's about the sole reason I have no complaints with ED and the fact AF heals now cost more to use. Does it mean death is punishing? Ofc it does, death being a punishment is something I fully expect in an mmo game. But the biggest thing by far I've noticed healing in endwalker is the increased frequency I use Fey Union to "target" my faerie on specific targets. All of which is possible due to the combination of free weaving space + faster faerie responsiveness. Could i perform this prior to EW? Yes, but between the slower speed and the need to utilize Ruin IIs to achieve it, it felt far more awkward to preform.

    Onto the new abilities, unfortunately I'm still level 88 so I've only used Protraction so far, and it helps, it definitely fulfills a role of being a versatile cooldown, especially since it finally gives scholars a way to buff their OGCD kits. I am excited to try out Expedience once I acquire it, but that will require me to be able to log on first. Which for me it unfortunately isn't the right time yet due to peak NA hours.

    Unfortunately, I already know that despite the way it has been significantly improved in responsiveness and flow, that the fact they didn't address the thing that is repeated over and over again on this forum means that all this positivity is meaningless to alot readers? But honestly? I am more then satisfied with all the under the hood adjustments made that it's definitely reducing my eagerness to state Sage as wholly and completely superior to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    In the end, every change, every design choice, is up to the devs. If they decided to go one way with an element of gameplay or a job, acting like they kicked your dog on the forums isn't going to change anything. At some point, you have to cut your losses or you're just wasting energy being so emotionnaly invested into something that won't change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    the thing that is repeated over and over again
    Broil?

    (Sorry, I had to)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    snip.
    I agree. Broil IV and Art of War II are pretty and impactful. The fairy is super responsive and 1.5s Broil makes the job quite fast paced because we weave a lot. As I predicted, Fey Union got a huge boost in usability and it is now such a great skill (it always was, to be fair, just very clunky to use).

    The job is so smooth now and I'm really enjoying it. Can't wait to get the new skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Broil?

    (Sorry, I had to)
    Broil machine go "Bzzt Bzzt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    In the end, every change, every design choice, is up to the devs. If they decided to go one way with an element of gameplay or a job, acting like they kicked your dog on the forums isn't going to change anything. At some point, you have to cut your losses or you're just wasting energy being so emotionnaly invested into something that won't change.

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