Housing crisis

[kaynide]

If one person can get 3 houses with such limited space compared to amount of people on the server is intended.

That is horrible design either that are really stupid development planning.


Regardless their intention doesnt mean a thing when it obviously has kassive proplems they should use their brains and drop that intention for one that works

The situation as it exists is a textbook example of "Be careful what you wish for".

Originally a Large Plot on Tonberry (where I am) went for between 100,000,000-125,000,000 gil. On Balmug it would go for as much as 312,500,000 gil.
Players complained it was too expensive, so it became very cheap (and easier to buy).
Then players wanted personal housing, so you got a double whammy of more demand and incredibly cheap prices.

The devs did what the players wanted, which they shouldn't have. But they did, and these are the consequences.

We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong, it is selfish to expect someone to give up a house so I can have one; and I'll be pretty open about being selfish.

Nothing wrong with wanting a house, but unfortunately you're on Balmung. As for fair and square, it used to be in the wild west of FFXIV you could buy as many houses as you could afford- another oversight by the devs no doubt. As it so happens I've downsized from 5 houses over my years, giving away to friends (not selling).

[Darthgummibear]

No I'm not thank you for agreeing.



Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality and outrage at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

They aren't the one blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

[Moerdeth]

Why is it that the have's seem to be telling the have nots to stop complaining about something they would like but aren't able to attain to be quiet and stop making your opinion known or requesting change? All we are asking for is a way that everyone can enjoy the content without removing anything from any one of those telling us to be quiet.
Please just let us ask for improvements.
We let everyone keep the houses they own no problem even if you own 3 or 5 homes it doesn't matter to me. I think that an instanced system for individual home owners where they can decorate their own space that you can pick your frontage whether it be waterfront, city, garden, desert,( insert here idea's could be endless for the unique feeling)and take their friends to up to 24 people max for house design comp's, private parties, role play, etc! It opens up crafting, housing items, gathering for items, seed, and gardening, all while saving everyone bag space on furniture items they have been saving in game for when they finally manage to get a home.
Who doesn't want more bag space?
I am not trying to attack anyone who already has a home. Please don't attack me for wanting the same chance to play the way I would like. This also removes the ability for RMT to buy houses and increase the prices like was the case in the past.
This would also add a number of new houses for FC in the housing district as the single players give up their homes during the 45 day away period to continue having common area's, street parties with other FC's, FC housing comp's and take literally nothing from anyone who already owns a plot and wants to keep it.
Is this something you all may think would be agreeable? What is the down side if any?

[Snorky]

You can't be mad at those who were grandfathered in. It serves no purpose other than to make them feel bad. Going forward with a limited resource you either have to have a system that is fair for all or increase the resource. In this case it needs to be both. We know they are adding more wards and introducing a lottery system. The lottery system alone tells me the increase in housing with be a drop in the bucket. I have hope with the main story arc coming to a close I hope they have had time to work on the things that are QOL in game. Housing can be a big thing just like glamours are. Many people love decorating homes. So much potential there. I am not overly upset about housing and have played many games that didn't have housing and still enjoyed them for what they were. I really wish the devs would take a look at ESO housing the community that has sprung up around housing and building is truly amazing. People build onto and add so many great things. There are streamers who do nothing but tour the amazing builds and themed contests. My wish is for them to expand on the neighborhood theme by holding events in neighborhoods to attract people to actually live in the neighborhood they have a house in. There is potential in housing.

Edit: Mordeth I don't think instance housing would work here, the reason being they specifically wanted it to be like a neighborhood and it would require more servers and would change the whole concept of housing, that said I think they could add more wards and apartments. It's not wrong to want a house and I understand how you feel. I just feel like it's not as much of a priority for them.

I agree there are so many avenues that housing opens up for other activities to happen.

[Moerdeth]

Thanks Snorky, I gave you a thumbs up, glad that you are presenting some good ideas!

[Floortank]

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

[Izscha]

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

[Moonlite]

I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

[kaynide]

As the owner of multiple houses, my solution is simple:

1) Make the island getaway thing include instanced housing.
2) Remove the option to even buy a house for individuals in wards. From here on out, all ward-houses are for FCs
3) Require some sort of minimum activity level via the FC's accumulated points (the currency we use for submarines, etc). Make that work in a way we spend that currency automatically to "pay rent". Nothing insane, but enough that a small house would require 3-4 people actually playing the game regularly. Maybe as many as 10 for a large. (This would require tweaking as to how that currency is generated).
4) Remove demolition timers entirely, as it'd work on the currency instead.
5) If/when that housing currency hits zero, you get the 45 day notice to demolition.
(I don't really have a good answer on how to have individuals grandfathered in pay "rent")

Do that, and I happily give up everything but my FC house.

They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

That boat has indeed sailed. You will no longer be able to RMT easily once EW arrives, with the exception of buying/selling an entire FC itself. Moving from one plot to another uses the same lotto system as a new homeowner. No more swooping in.

I think they could add more wards and apartments.

You've been around, so you probably already know this, so more of a reply to people asking "why don't they just add more districts?".
The best way to get more housing wards is to buy stuff on the mogstation. More wards are a money sink for FFXIV as they are a huge cost to put in infrastructure (servers) and maintain them without any profits coming in. It's a zero-gain economically for the game. The last 1/3 of housing districts was paid for entirely by mogstation purchases.

[Moerdeth]

Perhaps ffxiv would be willing to give you back the Gil for your house so you don't lose out? Or you can just keep the house until you decide you would rather move to the instanced housing? Maybe there could be some unique incentive for current single home owners who decide to switch to instanced housing along with all their gil that would represent some form of reborn aspect? Would that be something you would consider by any chance? Also the instanced housing wouldn't require you to stay subbed at least every 45 days and you wouldn't have to worry about losing your housing items ever? What do you guys think?