Housing crisis

[Snorky]

You can't be mad at those who were grandfathered in. It serves no purpose other than to make them feel bad. Going forward with a limited resource you either have to have a system that is fair for all or increase the resource. In this case it needs to be both. We know they are adding more wards and introducing a lottery system. The lottery system alone tells me the increase in housing with be a drop in the bucket. I have hope with the main story arc coming to a close I hope they have had time to work on the things that are QOL in game. Housing can be a big thing just like glamours are. Many people love decorating homes. So much potential there. I am not overly upset about housing and have played many games that didn't have housing and still enjoyed them for what they were. I really wish the devs would take a look at ESO housing the community that has sprung up around housing and building is truly amazing. People build onto and add so many great things. There are streamers who do nothing but tour the amazing builds and themed contests. My wish is for them to expand on the neighborhood theme by holding events in neighborhoods to attract people to actually live in the neighborhood they have a house in. There is potential in housing.

Edit: Mordeth I don't think instance housing would work here, the reason being they specifically wanted it to be like a neighborhood and it would require more servers and would change the whole concept of housing, that said I think they could add more wards and apartments. It's not wrong to want a house and I understand how you feel. I just feel like it's not as much of a priority for them.

I agree there are so many avenues that housing opens up for other activities to happen.

[Moerdeth]

Thanks Snorky, I gave you a thumbs up, glad that you are presenting some good ideas!

[Floortank]

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

[Izscha]

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

[Moonlite]

I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

[Moerdeth]

Perhaps ffxiv would be willing to give you back the Gil for your house so you don't lose out? Or you can just keep the house until you decide you would rather move to the instanced housing? Maybe there could be some unique incentive for current single home owners who decide to switch to instanced housing along with all their gil that would represent some form of reborn aspect? Would that be something you would consider by any chance? Also the instanced housing wouldn't require you to stay subbed at least every 45 days and you wouldn't have to worry about losing your housing items ever? What do you guys think?

[kaynide]

As the owner of multiple houses, my solution is simple:

1) Make the island getaway thing include instanced housing.
2) Remove the option to even buy a house for individuals in wards. From here on out, all ward-houses are for FCs
3) Require some sort of minimum activity level via the FC's accumulated points (the currency we use for submarines, etc). Make that work in a way we spend that currency automatically to "pay rent". Nothing insane, but enough that a small house would require 3-4 people actually playing the game regularly. Maybe as many as 10 for a large. (This would require tweaking as to how that currency is generated).
4) Remove demolition timers entirely, as it'd work on the currency instead.
5) If/when that housing currency hits zero, you get the 45 day notice to demolition.
(I don't really have a good answer on how to have individuals grandfathered in pay "rent")

Do that, and I happily give up everything but my FC house.

They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

That boat has indeed sailed. You will no longer be able to RMT easily once EW arrives, with the exception of buying/selling an entire FC itself. Moving from one plot to another uses the same lotto system as a new homeowner. No more swooping in.

I think they could add more wards and apartments.

You've been around, so you probably already know this, so more of a reply to people asking "why don't they just add more districts?".
The best way to get more housing wards is to buy stuff on the mogstation. More wards are a money sink for FFXIV as they are a huge cost to put in infrastructure (servers) and maintain them without any profits coming in. It's a zero-gain economically for the game. The last 1/3 of housing districts was paid for entirely by mogstation purchases.

[Snorky]

As the owner of multiple houses, my solution is simple:

1) Make the island getaway thing include instanced housing.
2) Remove the option to even buy a house for individuals in wards. From here on out, all ward-houses are for FCs
3) Require some sort of minimum activity level via the FC's accumulated points (the currency we use for submarines, etc). Make that work in a way we spend that currency automatically to "pay rent". Nothing insane, but enough that a small house would require 3-4 people actually playing the game regularly. Maybe as many as 10 for a large. (This would require tweaking as to how that currency is generated).
4) Remove demolition timers entirely, as it'd work on the currency instead.
5) If/when that housing currency hits zero, you get the 45 day notice to demolition.
(I don't really have a good answer on how to have individuals grandfathered in pay "rent")

Do that, and I happily give up everything but my FC house.

For one thing no, I don't think there should only be housing for a FC. Not everyone has a FC so why would you think that is fair?

Instance housing as I said Mordeth you are asking for something that will probably not happen as the vision for housing is neighborhoods. Plus the server shortage in the world. While I love instance housing in ESO I think FFXIV could do something better with what they have now. Taking people's gil really?! How will that help anyone other than piss them off?

[kaynide]

For one thing no, I don't think there should only be housing for a FC. Not everyone has a FC so why would you think that is fair?

Instance housing as I said Mordeth you are asking for something that will probably not happen as the vision for housing is neighborhoods. Plus the server shortage in the world. While I love instance housing in ESO I think FFXIV could do something better with what they have now. Taking people's gil really?! How will that help anyone other than piss them off?

That is how it was originally intended to be; they only changed it because of player base request- they had no intention on expanding the system to allow for individual owners.

So there should be no expectation to expand the availability of housing until they someday decide to do otherwise (which will never be enough to supply everyone without HUGE monthly costs).

Not you or I, or really anyone individually... but as a player base, we've "made our bed, now we gotta sleep in it".

[Moerdeth]

Is it not the developer's job to listen to their customer base and work toward making the kinds of improvements they are asking for?
Blizzard is partially pay for this very issue. Yoshi is paying attention to what works and what doesn't as he always has. I personally believe Yoshi is far more likely to listen to his players than most other developer's.
What do you think?