Housing crisis

[Izscha]

I have a hard time understanding your "hording it" what do that means in this context ?
And to me being able to report someone that isn't botting/ cheating is a joke, and that's why i never use it.

[Jojoya]

Thing is, game did not wait for you to put up housing, and for a long time there were a ton of avalaible plots on servers no one wanted.
How can you blame someone for buying multiples plots when absolutly no one wanted it back then ? And on what base should they give up now ?
That's easy to cry nowadays, but the housing situation wasn't like that at all when it came out and during the few first years of it.

It doesn't matter what things were like 5 years ago. What matters is what things are like now.. The player base has been growing much faster the last few years compared to the initial growth in ARR and HW. It's doubled just in the last 18 months and yet during that time we've only had 3 new wards with subdivisions added.

Most players aren't trying to have houses taken away from those who obtained them fairly under the rules at the time of purchase (though I'll admit there are a vocal few who ask for it). Even if those houses were taken away, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to existing demand. It would not solve anything.

What we want is for SE to fix the system so every player who wants a house can get one as long as they meet the purchase requirements and have the gil. That cannot happen with the current ward system, especially if the FFXIV player base continues to grow as it has in the last 3 years. The active player population has doubled in size during that time, and we don't know how many new and returning players are going to add to the numbers once Endwalker launches.

We want the system to serve all the players, not just the few blessed by RNG.

[Izscha]

It doesn't matter what things were like 5 years ago. What matters is what things are like now.. The player base has been growing much faster the last few years compared to the initial growth in ARR and HW. It's doubled just in the last 18 months and yet during that time we've only had 3 new wards with subdivisions added.

Most players aren't trying to have houses taken away from those who obtained them fairly under the rules at the time of purchase (though I'll admit there are a vocal few who ask for it). Even if those houses were taken away, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to existing demand. It would not solve anything.

What we want is for SE to fix the system so every player who wants a house can get one as long as they meet the purchase requirements and have the gil. That cannot happen with the current ward system, especially if the FFXIV player base continues to grow as it has in the last 3 years. The active player population has doubled in size during that time, and we don't know how many new and returning players are going to add to the numbers once Endwalker launches.

We want the system to serve all the players, not just the few blessed by RNG.

I dont disagree with that, at all while i clearly dont care about housing in the first place.
My answer was only to the one i quoted and was aggresive towards someone that just said that they got 3 houses, and i know a ton of ppl that did the same back at when it was possible.
Blame SE all you want, but not the players who played fair and square.

[FusiaRain]

I dont disagree with that, at all while i clearly dont care about housing in the first place.
My answer was only to the one i quoted and was aggresive towards someone that just said that they got 3 houses, and i know a ton of ppl that did the same back at when it was possible.
Blame SE all you want, but not the players who played fair and square.

Wasn't being aggressive, just being honest but if your going to white knight their bs "intention in the same post you brag about 3" you deserver some aggression however I wasnt the only aggression was towards devs

[LaylaTsarra]

My point is its called common courtesy, and not being a selfish jerk.. Tbh its funny degending it when ppl hate "toxicity"

People with grandfathered homes aren't selfish jerks. They played by the rules at the time and I might add that alts still can't share houses. You can share a house with your friends but not with yourself that's wonderful and still hasn't been fixed. You want to blame someone you blame SE not the user following the rules by enabling multiple purchases and by not allowing users to share and use their own house. And I might add we are allowed to buy houses on different servers as well. That didn't change with the new rules for 6.1. That is within the rules and many of us with alts have taken advantage of that feature. YOU don't have to like it and YOU do not set the standards for morality here in the least.

SE has set a new set of rules which people should and will follow. If those rules change again in the future it's not on the users now following them who should be chastised and belittled for what they are permitted to do.

[Dewslam]

People with grandfathered homes aren't selfish jerks.

Except it is selfish to lay claim to more than your fair share of a highly limited resource. There's no penalty to demolish their excess houses - so by default keeping them is the selfish option. People really want to twist selfish into some hilarious slur against house hoarders and take greater offense to the word than anything else when the very basic behavior on display is, indeed, selfish. Owning a private FC just for yourself is selfish - and I say that as someone who has a private FC and has been trying to get a house for it. If you don't like being called selfish for doing selfish things, there's only one course of option to take: stop doing selfish things. Otherwise you kind of have to learn to live with it because lmao at trying to demand people not be allowed to voice their opinions on matters that actually do impact them. If you don't want people to judge you for your exploitation of the rules, stop doing it. Because yeah, you're selfish. Every word of your post oozes selfish entitlement and it's hilarious.

[LaylaTsarra]

Except it is selfish to lay claim to more than your fair share of a highly limited resource

According to you. I would say it's selfish to expect to have people give up something they earned fair and square. Not happening and SE has recognized that it's unfair to penalize those people for having more than one and as such has grandfathered them.

Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to. So you want to demonize them too with your little morality filter?

[Dewslam]

According to you. I would say it's selfish to expect to have people give up something they earned fair and square.

We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong, it is selfish to expect someone to give up a house so I can have one; and I'll be pretty open about being selfish. I want a house, I want raid gear, minions and mounts - I mash that need button every time something drops. But no one is outright expecting them to give up their houses. Certainly some people want them to. But keeping extra houses they don't need is quite literally the selfish option. The selfless option, of course, being to give the plots up to the community at large and dusting their hands of it. You seem to struggle with the idea that being selfish isn't the same thing as being malicious. You don't have to be acting to deprive others to be selfish, just acting out of self interest rather than communal interest.

Square Enix grandfathered in house ownership in a time when the game's community was far smaller and the housing system in far less of a demand, the changes being made in 6.0 and beyond show that they're displaying far less of a tolerance for people who play the "there are no rules against this..." game and general community response seems to indicate higher approval of that path than if they were to loosen it back up and let a select handful of people selfishly hoard everything. You can cry about people demonizing you or judging you all you want but all I really have to say in response to that is that hey, there are no rules against subjective moral and ethical judgements or opinions. You chose to do something you clearly knew would rankle others, then double down on it when challenged. If you can't handle the idea of people disapproving of the things you do, don't do them.

[LaylaTsarra]

We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong,

No I'm not thank you for agreeing.

You chose to do something you clearly knew would rankle others, then double down on it when challenged. If you can't handle the idea of people disapproving of the things you do, don't do them.

Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality and outrage at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

[Izscha]

No I'm not thank you for agreeing.



Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

You know, it's just easier for them to target players because they can attack them directly here, something they can't do about SE in any way.
They can cry about it there, but they know that it will fall in a deaf hear and that the devs do what they want to do, while getting answers from other players here is way easier and they can vent that way.
And you should know that this kind is only good at attacking, and even more say stuff like "yeah it must be like that" while if they were the ones having multiples houses they would not speak about it at all and stay hidden, it's always like that.
Easy to blame when you're the one that has nothing, wont say anything if you're the one that have the stuff.