On Extreme Role-playing Within XIV

[FusiaRain]

I'd like to say here that this game has a perfect example of how a fundamentally good person can have some seriously fucked up views: Gauis van Baelsar. Gaius is basically a heroic man who had the misfortune of being born into a nation run by villains. He wants to help people, and Garlemald tells him that the best way he can help the weakest among us is to rule them and show them the error of their savage ways. In Gaius's mind, conquering Eorzea was saving its backwards people from themselves. Gaius isn't a racist because he's evil or full of hate, he's a racist because he has no idea how to not be one. He's a racist because everyone he's ever trusted and learned from is a racist, and now its as natural as breathing to him.

Gaius didnt care about race though only power. He was extremely anti religion and honestly he has a point about "gods" and those that follow them.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Gaius didnt care about race though only power. He was extremely anti religion and honestly he has a point about "gods" and those that follow them.

You're right. Replace racist with elitist and it becomes more accurate.

[FusiaRain]

You're right. Replace racist with elitist and it becomes more accurate.

Eh honestly id agrue he isnt elitest he is more like the definition of trail by combat. If your strong you get his respect, if your weak you die.

Honestly thats natural selection by definition

[Kolsykol]

Why do people feel the need to call everything sexual '' degenerate '' ( clearly what the OP means )?

RP:ing a racist character can be argued to be degenerate or sexual stuff that is actually immoral and illegal.
But just calling anything having to do with sexuality that comes across like some weird ultra conservative incel stuff to me.
It's like something I expect someone who obsesses about some conservative e-celeb and have read their anti-porn book and believes in abstinence who frequents Reddit would say lol.

Just basic sexual stuff and sexuality is like the most tame and natural thing imaginable.
But it's like if it's not within marriage or for procreation '' ermaghurd degenerate how dare you ''.

Gaius didnt care about race though only power. He was extremely anti religion and honestly he has a point about "gods" and those that follow them.

He did call us savages lol.
Altho yeah as far as Garleans I don't think he came across that way and they did expand.

Garleans aren't all racist that has been made pretty clear in the story and Gaius was more on that side.

I agree with Theodric, only pointing out some what of a double standard. But such characters, and even roleplayed character create far more depth within a story over the "casual" and unseemly roleplay that is the norm in XIV.

The difference is that you're causing more direct harm to other people.
If you think that someone ERP:ing is '' harmful '' to you, then I mean...
Maybe don't go outside because you might see some underwear commercial or something, I mean I think at that point it's kind of a '' grow up '' situation.

If someone is RP:ing a racist tho then it can cause emotional distress and make the experience very negative for other players in a more objective sense.
It just gives actual degenerates as the word you yourself used an out and excuse to be degenerated in the game.
The amount of toxicity and people being banned would skyrocket.

[Izscha]

But just calling anything having to do with sexuality that comes across like some weird ultra conservative incel stuff to me.

Always come down to that eh.

Actually that's really funny what you're saying here.
Acting all high and mighty and that everyone else that doesn't think like you must "grow up" but start to cry almost immediatly after about how ppl are mean to ERP players.

[Kolsykol]

Always come down to that eh.

I mean yeah, if someone does kiss emotes in a video game and have pretend sex or whatever and you think that's degenerate.
Then you either don't understand what that word means or you're just applying your own abnormal thoughts on sex to it.
To most people who didn't grow up with video games and haven't had the excessive amounts of violence normalized to them either they'll probably look at something as DOOM and MK11 in a more messed up light than that.

It's the kind of stuff I expect to see on incel subreddits.
Sure ERP:ing isn't common and necessarily normal, but being sexual isn't abnormal behaviour and we do a lot of things in video games that are not normal RP:ing altogether isn't.
If you apply that term to general sexual stuff so easily then I do think it enters that realm.

If we're talking about stuff like Lalafells ERP:ing as minors then I do think you can call that degenerate, altho it's still fantasy and we still do a lot of immoral and messed up things in video games.
But I do think that most people will agree that it's different and does make you question them as people irl and why they'd do that specifically.

Actually that's really funny what you're saying here.
Acting all high and mighty and that everyone else that doesn't think like you must "grow up" but start to cry almost immediatly after about how ppl are mean to ERP players.

How am I crying?
Calling people degenerate for doing such tame stuff that you yourself consider to be bad '' degenerate '' I'd say is acting all high and mighty, so if you think that then the OP started and I responded in kind.
I never said that you can't think like me, I am talking about calling it degenerate.

If the OP had just said '' I don't like ERP '' then I wouldn't have said anything.
The OP went beyond that there is a bit more nuance here.

[FusiaRain]

Why do people feel the need to call everything sexual '' degenerate '' ( clearly what the OP means )?

RP:ing a racist character can be argued to be degenerate or sexual stuff that is actually immoral and illegal.
But just calling anything having to do with sexuality that comes across like some weird ultra conservative incel stuff to me.
It's like something I expect someone who obsesses about some conservative e-celeb and have read their anti-porn book and believes in abstinence who frequents Reddit would say lol.

Just basic sexual stuff and sexuality is like the most tame and natural thing imaginable.
But it's like if it's not within marriage or for procreation '' ermaghurd degenerate how dare you ''.



He did call us savages lol.
Altho yeah as far as Garleans I don't think he came across that way and they did expand.

Garleans aren't all racist that has been made pretty clear in the story and Gaius was more on that side.



The difference is that you're causing more direct harm to other people.
If you think that someone ERP:ing is '' harmful '' to you, then I mean...
Maybe don't go outside because you might see some underwear commercial or something, I mean I think at that point it's kind of a '' grow up '' situation.

If someone is RP:ing a racist tho then it can cause emotional distress and make the experience very negative for other players in a more objective sense.
It just gives actual degenerates as the word you yourself used an out and excuse to be degenerated in the game.
The amount of toxicity and people being banned would skyrocket.

Calling someone a savage isnt racist if your saying it because their religions and societys status...

And honestly Limsa and Uldah i
are savages... With how the society works..

Also savages can mean multiple things having nothing to do with races lol

[Necrogen]

Ive seen people take the roleplaying into chat. Its cringy and unecessary. Like...you want to talk to the person cause its a human being and they act like they are on meds....ive ran into one person that was like that and ill never forget it.

I think its best to just leave the acting to when you LARP or something. I dunno...

[FusiaRain]

Ive seen people take the roleplaying into chat. Its cringy and unecessary. Like...you want to talk to the person cause its a human being and they act like they are on meds....ive ran into one person that was like that and ill never forget it.

I think its best to just leave the acting to when you LARP or something. I dunno...

LARp community's are kind rare in states at the least.. Outside stupid star wars Larp/lord of the rings

Also somethings that may seem unneed really are for context/detail to prevent meta/godmoding.

What I mean is many things are seen as unneeded until your there doing it but it really is needed for the storys detail of the characters.

[Kolsykol]

Snip.

I do think it's implied in the game to be somewhat indicative of their general view of us and that there is racism involved.
But I do agree that I don't think Gaius was actually racist just that it might've come across that way for some people.
Like you play the game and you see Garleans being racist *and* calling people savages, and then he just randomly blurts it out repeatedly I can see why some would think it came across that way.
I'd also say that people are racist towards Garleans too, race is obviously involved in this equation.
But I wouldn't say that our characters or the Scions are, even if they're obviously a bit iffy about Garleans they run into initially.

You're right that it doesn't necessarily have to do with race, but I think it's pretty clear in the game that it does on top of everything else.

Snip.

I never brought up Trump or alt-right nazis etc you're going completely off the rails.
Just because you ERP also doesn't mean that you '' want to fuck all the time '' you're reaching so hard and are making quite absurd suggestions.
And yes if you think that because someone ERP's it means that they only think about sex 24/7 and '' want to fuck all the time '' then you do kinda need to grow up it's a very immature outlook on people and the world.
Just because you do something and you enjoy it doesn't mean that you're obsessed with it to an unhealthy level, these are the same arguments people make about playing video games too.
Or people thinking that if a woman wears something that shows legs or cleavage that it's an invitation for sex and that she's a '' slut '' etc, it's such an absurdly reduced down way of viewing the world and people.

I also never said that women can't be incels.
You're just making so many assumptions based on nothing.

I'd say that enjoying and getting hyped up about seeing someone get their face sliced down the middle and their brain plucked out and eaten in a close up on the camera as half their body has been mutilated ala Mortal Kombat is more degenerated to basically any sane human being than just basic ERP.
But I don't see that getting called degenerate, and it's because there is usually a lot of baggage involved as to why people think that something like ERP is degenerate that extends to real life.

Calling someone degenerated for enjoying something in a video game and fantasy I do think it's pretty dumb in general.
The only time I can see it is when there is some more morally questionable thing that probably does extend to real life like ERP:ing as characters who are minors.
I do think that enters a different area where you can kinda go '' hold on a minute, why minors?... ''.
Calling that degenerate I think would be fine, but that is not what the OP did.

Edit: Like ask yourself why you think that the OP believes that ERP is degenerate, but not RP:ing a racist bigot?
Why do you think that is exactly?
You don't think that says something about the OP?