On Extreme Role-playing Within XIV

[Gameovers]

There's no issue RPing a character having those traits as long as the writer can you know..... WRITE. The reason why people might have an issue is a few actually. One the writer can suck and in turn make it look like it's OOC when it's posed to be in character, which would cause issues. 2. Sometimes people use it as an excuse to be horrible, no need to explain that. And 3. which is where alot of people fall into is, they are just bad writers. Those are the issues I've seen across many areas online. You can RP whatever you want, just know that the deeper it is the harder it'll be finding random like people. IF you want that kindof RP you'll be better off finding a small group of like minded fork and go from there. You're not finding it in the quicksands.

[Izscha]

I never brought up Trump or alt-right nazis etc you're going completely off the rails.
Just because you ERP also doesn't mean that you '' want to fuck all the time '' you're reaching so hard and are making quite absurd suggestions.
And yes if you think that because someone ERP's it means that they only think about sex 24/7 and '' want to fuck all the time '' then you do kinda need to grow up it's a very immature outlook on people and the world.
Just because you do something and you enjoy it doesn't mean that you're obsessed with it to an unhealthy level, these are the same arguments people make about playing video games too.
Or people thinking that if a woman wears something that shows legs or cleavage that it's an invitation for sex and that she's a '' slut '' etc, it's such an absurdly reduced down way of viewing the world and people.

I also never said that women can't be incels.
You're just making so many assumptions based on nothing.

I'd say that enjoying and getting hyped up about seeing someone get their face sliced down the middle and their brain plucked out and eaten in a close up on the camera as half their body has been mutilated ala Mortal Kombat is more degenerated to basically any sane human being than just basic ERP.
But I don't see that getting called degenerate, and it's because there is usually a lot of baggage involved as to why people think that something like ERP is degenerate that extends to real life.

I'm just doing the exact same thing as you did earlier, and it seems like we both agree that's kinda pointless and stupid.
People beliefs will never be about growing up, and certainly not when it comes to subject as close and personnal as sex. The thing here is that you do believe that if you got a problem with sex, you're immature which is quoting yourself "reaching so hard and are making quite absurd suggestions". You're no one to judge anyone else beliefs that's it, and since you do that anyway i dont see any problem them calling you degenerates in return, that's good war.

"You're just making so many assumptions based on nothing."

Well yeah, that was the point.
You're the one who did bring the political part there, even tho almost everything is political by nature you're the one making assumptions about those people and what are their political side and make it sounds like that's a bad thing, not me.
WHich says a lot about you actually, and your activism.
Based on what you say i could just say "bruh another disconnected leftist that do believe the world is about them".

About your last part, sure you can say that it's degenerate too, why both can't ? Ppl saying ERP is for degenerates automatically play and enjoy this kind of games ? I dont get where youi're going there.
You dont see that ? Gosh each single time any violent stuff comes out we got tons of article about how it's terrible and that it should not exist it's not rare at all it's as targeted as sex is.

Dunno if you can't answer because you did reach the limit per day so i will edit too so i can answer to your edit.

I dont think much of it, he dislikes ERP which i can get ( not saying that i do agree there, just that i understand it from someone who has read stuff i whished i never had to ) i'm really not the one that will openly talk about sex either even if that's fictional, that's why i'm not an actor or work in the ententainment industry, he would like to portray his character with stuff that are not ok to some too, i don't believe that you want to RP as a racist you're a racist, just like i dont think actors playing and saying racist stuff in their work are racist.
To me if you stick and only stick about your character RP, it doesn't have anything to do with what you are irl.
The only thing i had a problem with as stated above is that since you do judge one's belief or political view based on what they dislike, i dont see the problem with them doing the same with you and what you like, as simple as that.
My gross exemple above was there to show how easy it is to judge someone on the little knowledge we have about them, and i do not think that's ok.

[Juzjuzz]

There's ppl who don't see the difference betwen playing around and doing something serious. Sometimes it's the roleplayers and sometimes the ppl who see roleplay as cringe/bad.

To create a good story eatch character needs flaws or it gets boring. There's no problem in creating a racist character or a murderer as long as there's a good reason behind it. For example a dude hating lalafels because 1 or several of them mistreated his family is decent enough, then having that dude forming a party with another lalafel could be interesting. Creating a story with only nice characters is waaaaay harder to do without making it boring for everyone.

In FFXIV and other games i just can't rp because of the lack of seperation between playing normaly and roleplaying so i prefer doing it by text on forums (it's slow as fuck tho) but the idea still stands. Most players in this game don't like or don't care about rp so it's seen as cringe really fast. Some players don't use roleplay in a way that makes non-roleplayers confortable and get most of the attention, so making a story with only nice characters is safer. It's that or finding a way to do it without others being able to see anything.

[Caurcas]

Honestly a more robust pvp system could help diversify role-playing within the game and take it away from the sort of cringey "nightclub/bar/brothel" that has dominated it for so long. Furthermore, for those that take umbrage with my usage of the word degenerate let me apologize. I did not mean to offend, its just as a young man I played alot of Fallout New Vegas and tended to side with the Legion, and so degenerate entered my vocabulary to be used for things I dislike. Old habits die hard. I will also say some of the takes in this thread resorted to the age old "if you play a character like that, you must endorse that!" pejorative. This is why characters are so dull these days.

[Vyrerus]

Greetings, and baiting title aside I would like to begin a discussion over fringe role-playing within the game. No, not the usual degenerate type often debated, but rather what is almost never discussed. That being topics such as role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant. A Garlean loyalist who believes in the cause, or a Xaela ultra nationalist. A moral compromised character. I've found these types of role-playing within XIV to be almost nonexistent and even treated as taboo. More so than even actual unseemly roleplay of the other type. This is strange to me, as I come from other games that have a much more varied community when it comes to types of characters roleplayed. It makes XIV's scene seem stagnant and boring. Thoughts on why?

It's too real, and it's not controlled. If you're RPing a character that would be considered bad IRL, and they never get a come uppence then it doesn't sit right with people today.

Like, think about the movie Django: Unchained. Great movie with insanely racist characters. As bad as it gets though, all of the bad people get killed in the end.

Compare and contrast with No Country for Old Men. A film that's said to be great, but its ending bothers a lot of people(myself included), because the bad guy doesn't really get a come uppence, and all of the good guys are either defeated or killed.

RP in XIV is a deeply curated experience. People already have so many hang ups for even the simplest of things. There's also RP characters that don't even fit the setting, really. I think that's why most people do ERP, too. There's not a lot of commitment and such.

In my experience there's also a desire for characters to fall in love, and for their pilots to do the same OOC. Which, I mean, is kind of understandable. There's a lot of young folks and socially awkward older folks doing this. RP is the way they socialize. They aren't going to bring racism, nationalism etc. into that.

But even more than that, with most people playing XIV being younger, they don't really know how to accurately portray racism anyway. The concept has even been rewritten several times since I was in High School over a decade ago. Overton shifts and all that. It is verboten to even suggest it still have a place in fiction(or at least is moving that way imo).

[SturmChurro]

Rping a garlean or ascian sounds super fun tbh imo. More fun than the typical "Bar owner" or "Brothel owner"

Yeah, but does a garlean or ascian make as much gil?

The assumption is that people simply pick such characters to be 'edgy', that simply isn't the case in my experience.

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For many, role-play is about becoming a character that is a realistic part of the game world. That may mean that the character is, in some ways, imperfect or flawed.

The game also has to allow said roleplay to actually take place, but yeah, that's for sure what it's about for me: to have my character feel like a realistic part of the game world. I think a problem with a lot of people's roleplay is that they can't separate themselves from their character. Rather, the character isn't a unique entity, it is them (the player) in the game world. Where they bring their real life ideologies, and feelings, into the game; they tend to take their roleplay personally, which can lead to heated exchanges. Granted, on the other side people can also take extreme role playing too far, and hide behind that as "just roleplay" as well, not going to say that doesn't happen.

Either way, I prefer to stick with the sort of "light roleplay" I do in RPGs, and not really bother doing it with strangers over the internet, but when I do do that sort of "light roleplay" my character alignments range from lawful to chaotics, good, neutral, or evil. Sometimes changing over the course of the story. It can be refreshing to play a game with a character of a different perspective. I just wish more games would allow for that sort of freedom of choice.

[Thaciscokidd]

RP in XIV is a deeply curated experience. People already have so many hang ups for even the simplest of things. There's also RP characters that don't even fit the setting, really. I think that's why most people do ERP, too. There's not a lot of commitment and such.

In my experience there's also a desire for characters to fall in love, and for their pilots to do the same OOC. Which, I mean, is kind of understandable. There's a lot of young folks and socially awkward older folks doing this. RP is the way they socialize. They aren't going to bring racism, nationalism etc. into that.

I like this wording right here. A lot of the mainstream RP falls under this. Players want to treat this as a Isekai or Second Life and while a viable version of RP this game is so lore rich with a bunch of preset scenarios they're missing out. Like role playing on SWToR, SWG, ESO, WoW, and LoTRo, FF14 world is full of cool potential plot set ups thats falls under the less than savory points. Syndicate basic mob hold over Uldah, Pirates doing pirate things in Limsa, Elves being elves in the twelveswood, or a Viera who went against the Green Word to set off on a journey never to return home, so on and so forth. And these are things introduced in game. A good scenario writer can write a story that is really good and not God Mod(which is fun for no one).

I think a problem with a lot of people's roleplay is that they can't separate themselves from their character. Rather, the character isn't a unique entity, it is them (the player) in the game world. Where they bring their real life ideologies, and feelings, into the game; they tend to take their roleplay personally, which can lead to heated exchanges.

This kinda hits home with me with one of the main problems with the 14 RP setting. Its the main reason my wife doesn't play anymore and despises this game. A (what we thought was a) harmless quick RP session inside of the Vault lead to a couple of server hops then a IRL confrontation. Its kinda makes you over analyze a open world situation and takes away from just straight on natural occurring RPing.

[Bobby66]

Have not read the thread, but I am sure it comes down to people take RP actions against their character as personal attacks. This community seems to think their character is a reflection of their own self. We have had countless threads that support this notion, in short we have a snowflake community that is why.

[Lauront]

So you want to pretend to be edgy and get away with the things you can't say in person.

Don't.

And I am sure if we were to scour through your own RP history, we'd find things along those lines which certain people would consider "edgy" or "don't go there, sweetie" - including your character engaging in slaughter, for example - something I very much doubt you'd do or be able to get away with IRL for the most part, irrespective of the context.

At the end of the day, I'll RP whatever takes my fancy, whether some regard it as "edgy" or not, or whether they'd rather stick to sanitised RP that deliberately precludes elements present in the setting and therefore available to RP. Good thing we can choose whether to interact or not.

It's too real, and it's not controlled. If you're RPing a character that would be considered bad IRL, and they never get a come uppence then it doesn't sit right with people today.

Like, think about the movie Django: Unchained. Great movie with insanely racist characters. As bad as it gets though, all of the bad people get killed in the end.

Compare and contrast with No Country for Old Men. A film that's said to be great, but its ending bothers a lot of people(myself included), because the bad guy doesn't really get a come uppence, and all of the good guys are either defeated or killed.

RP in XIV is a deeply curated experience. People already have so many hang ups for even the simplest of things. There's also RP characters that don't even fit the setting, really. I think that's why most people do ERP, too. There's not a lot of commitment and such.

I can't say it bothers me in the same way. Different strokes for different folks, until it morphs into preaching what I can or can't RP or opinions on how that "reflects" on me as a person, or what I "should" or "shouldn't" like RP-wise. This game is particularly unusual in having a vocal minority so fixated on being "wholesome" (while also going on crusades some might term "toxic" against anyone with a diverging set of preferences...) In other games, I like the ability to play out whatever takes my fantasy on a given day and not worry whether it triggers some individuals fixated on moral crusades. In a XIV context, if I were RPing, I just wouldn't interact with such individuals, who cannot separate fiction from reality.

Have not read the thread, but I am sure it comes down to people take RP actions against their character as personal attacks. This community seems to think their character is a reflection of their own self. We have had countless threads that support this notion, in short we have a snowflake community that is why.

Yeah, but does a garlean or ascian make as much gil?

The game also has to allow said roleplay to actually take place, but yeah, that's for sure what it's about for me: to have my character feel like a realistic part of the game world. I think a problem with a lot of people's roleplay is that they can't separate themselves from their character. Rather, the character isn't a unique entity, it is them (the player) in the game world. Where they bring their real life ideologies, and feelings, into the game; they tend to take their roleplay personally, which can lead to heated exchanges. Granted, on the other side people can also take extreme role playing too far, and hide behind that as "just roleplay" as well, not going to say that doesn't happen.

Either way, I prefer to stick with the sort of "light roleplay" I do in RPGs, and not really bother doing it with strangers over the internet, but when I do do that sort of "light roleplay" my character alignments range from lawful to chaotics, good, neutral, or evil. Sometimes changing over the course of the story. It can be refreshing to play a game with a character of a different perspective. I just wish more games would allow for that sort of freedom of choice.

Exactly right and agreed.

[Setesh45]

role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant

Such lengthy discussions about this when it's so simple. Nobody wants to be around a dick like that.