On Extreme Role-playing Within XIV

[FusiaRain]

Ive seen people take the roleplaying into chat. Its cringy and unecessary. Like...you want to talk to the person cause its a human being and they act like they are on meds....ive ran into one person that was like that and ill never forget it.

I think its best to just leave the acting to when you LARP or something. I dunno...

LARp community's are kind rare in states at the least.. Outside stupid star wars Larp/lord of the rings

Also somethings that may seem unneed really are for context/detail to prevent meta/godmoding.

What I mean is many things are seen as unneeded until your there doing it but it really is needed for the storys detail of the characters.

[Gameovers]

There's no issue RPing a character having those traits as long as the writer can you know..... WRITE. The reason why people might have an issue is a few actually. One the writer can suck and in turn make it look like it's OOC when it's posed to be in character, which would cause issues. 2. Sometimes people use it as an excuse to be horrible, no need to explain that. And 3. which is where alot of people fall into is, they are just bad writers. Those are the issues I've seen across many areas online. You can RP whatever you want, just know that the deeper it is the harder it'll be finding random like people. IF you want that kindof RP you'll be better off finding a small group of like minded fork and go from there. You're not finding it in the quicksands.

[Juzjuzz]

There's ppl who don't see the difference betwen playing around and doing something serious. Sometimes it's the roleplayers and sometimes the ppl who see roleplay as cringe/bad.

To create a good story eatch character needs flaws or it gets boring. There's no problem in creating a racist character or a murderer as long as there's a good reason behind it. For example a dude hating lalafels because 1 or several of them mistreated his family is decent enough, then having that dude forming a party with another lalafel could be interesting. Creating a story with only nice characters is waaaaay harder to do without making it boring for everyone.

In FFXIV and other games i just can't rp because of the lack of seperation between playing normaly and roleplaying so i prefer doing it by text on forums (it's slow as fuck tho) but the idea still stands. Most players in this game don't like or don't care about rp so it's seen as cringe really fast. Some players don't use roleplay in a way that makes non-roleplayers confortable and get most of the attention, so making a story with only nice characters is safer. It's that or finding a way to do it without others being able to see anything.

[Caurcas]

Honestly a more robust pvp system could help diversify role-playing within the game and take it away from the sort of cringey "nightclub/bar/brothel" that has dominated it for so long. Furthermore, for those that take umbrage with my usage of the word degenerate let me apologize. I did not mean to offend, its just as a young man I played alot of Fallout New Vegas and tended to side with the Legion, and so degenerate entered my vocabulary to be used for things I dislike. Old habits die hard. I will also say some of the takes in this thread resorted to the age old "if you play a character like that, you must endorse that!" pejorative. This is why characters are so dull these days.

[Vyrerus]

Greetings, and baiting title aside I would like to begin a discussion over fringe role-playing within the game. No, not the usual degenerate type often debated, but rather what is almost never discussed. That being topics such as role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant. A Garlean loyalist who believes in the cause, or a Xaela ultra nationalist. A moral compromised character. I've found these types of role-playing within XIV to be almost nonexistent and even treated as taboo. More so than even actual unseemly roleplay of the other type. This is strange to me, as I come from other games that have a much more varied community when it comes to types of characters roleplayed. It makes XIV's scene seem stagnant and boring. Thoughts on why?

It's too real, and it's not controlled. If you're RPing a character that would be considered bad IRL, and they never get a come uppence then it doesn't sit right with people today.

Like, think about the movie Django: Unchained. Great movie with insanely racist characters. As bad as it gets though, all of the bad people get killed in the end.

Compare and contrast with No Country for Old Men. A film that's said to be great, but its ending bothers a lot of people(myself included), because the bad guy doesn't really get a come uppence, and all of the good guys are either defeated or killed.

RP in XIV is a deeply curated experience. People already have so many hang ups for even the simplest of things. There's also RP characters that don't even fit the setting, really. I think that's why most people do ERP, too. There's not a lot of commitment and such.

In my experience there's also a desire for characters to fall in love, and for their pilots to do the same OOC. Which, I mean, is kind of understandable. There's a lot of young folks and socially awkward older folks doing this. RP is the way they socialize. They aren't going to bring racism, nationalism etc. into that.

But even more than that, with most people playing XIV being younger, they don't really know how to accurately portray racism anyway. The concept has even been rewritten several times since I was in High School over a decade ago. Overton shifts and all that. It is verboten to even suggest it still have a place in fiction(or at least is moving that way imo).

[Bobby66]

Have not read the thread, but I am sure it comes down to people take RP actions against their character as personal attacks. This community seems to think their character is a reflection of their own self. We have had countless threads that support this notion, in short we have a snowflake community that is why.

[Setesh45]

role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant

Such lengthy discussions about this when it's so simple. Nobody wants to be around a dick like that.

[Bobby66]

Such lengthy discussions about this when it's so simple. Nobody wants to be around a dick like that.

Care to explain? Like around a character that is a dick, or are you saying the person who creates the character is a dick?

[Setesh45]

Care to explain? Like around a character that is a dick, or are you saying the person who creates the character is a dick?

The RP character that's a dick. I role-played with a character like that for a while, it completely ruined the atmosphere every time, the whole RP session just ruined by one person role-playing a racist egotistical orc.
After our second session I had people refusing to go with him. He kept harassing the elves in our party, his every second line was an insult towards someone. IRL you wouldn't stay around someone like that, so why should you in RP?

[Bobby66]

The RP character that's a dick. I role-played with a character like that for a while, it completely ruined the atmosphere every time, the whole RP session just ruined by one person role-playing a racist egotistical orc.
After our second session I had people refusing to go with him. He kept harassing the elves in our party, his every second line was an insult towards someone. IRL you wouldn't stay around someone like that, so why should you in RP?

Well, I mean in IRL such actions do cause a sense of lasting damage, but in terms of RP if that is their character I do not understand what made them feel uncomfortable, wouldn't it have made more sense to express the discomfort through the RP session verse just ignoring the person altogether? Just seems like the player was being avoided because others were personally comfortable not their characters. Though it does also sound like a poorly written character, which is fine line, they do not have to be overly racist where every other word is a slur that is just lazy. So I can also understand it from that PoV, though it seems less to do with a racist character and more so the person created a poor racist character.