Praetorium AFKers

[Avidria]

I've never cared and I'm gonna continue to not care. These are some of the worst designed dungeons I've ever seen and SE seems to know it lmao. I'd fully support them being changed into solo dungeons, rewards be darned. They should've been from the start.

[Floortank]

I honestly don't care what other people are doing in my 95th Prae run. If someone's lame enough to AFK, then fine.

Since I remain front-and-center (except during cutscenes), I know that each encounter will be cleared by me pushing three buttons for twenty or thirty seconds.

Honestly my ego isn't so big that I would get 'upset' because I am 'carrying' someone. It's petty. I'm not there to teach anyone a lesson. I'm not there to place blame and call out people. My "carry" results in one extra push of '3' and two extra pushes of '1'.

I don't play the blame game in life, unless the blame is needed, e.g., someone afk-ing in a premade ultimate raid group.

If someone wants to afk in Prae, it's literally not worth my time or emotion to care. I ain't no Elon Musk where I make eleventy-million dollars an hour. One minute of my time, especially when I'm playing a video game, isn't worth a damn thing.

'But, but, Billy, someone needs to teach them a lesson!"

Yeah, so you either speak to the person, or initiate a kick. Coming here to soapbox over random crap that shouldn't even upset you is very petty. If something like this sets you off, how are you going to cope with the real world, when you have to go out and get a job, and immediately realize that some people do more work, and some people do less work - for the same pay? Whoa... that's gonna set you off something spectacular if you can't even carry someone in Prae and ignore it.

If you tolerate this sort of behavior and fail to call it out, it promotes the idea that antisocial behavior is acceptable.

AFKing is antisocial behavior. It is blatant disregard for the enjoyment of other people in the duty, especially of those who might actually need your help.

[Dewslam]

Just initiate a vote kick. People will usually vote kick an afker in my experience. Most people just don't pay attention in prae enough to notice someone's afk.

[FusiaRain]

How long of an afk?

Because if its just 5-6 minutes before/after cutscene I doubt its afk at all probably doesnt realize or is just zoned out. The place gets so old and makes it so hard to remain focus. I found myself staring at the screen my last run not even knowing what I was doing half ways through it.

[Gemina]

Yeah but sometimes they get creative with it… like they put themselves in combat so you’re unable to kick them.

I’m the same though, I’m not afraid to call people out or initiate a vote kick.

What do you mean? This is how you run Prae.

The instance is 45 minutes; clockwork. And out of those 45 minutes, you spend maybe five of those minutes actually controlling your character. The longest of that being the Magitek derby. The rest is all cut scenes. Prae is literally a short movie.

Of course, that doesn't excuse going AFK. I'm pretty sure that is actually against the ToS, and those players can be reported. We are required to participate in the little combat that still takes place in the dungeon. Even though most players just soak it up; I agree and anyone not participating should be kicked.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Of course, that doesn't excuse going AFK. I'm pretty sure that is actually against the ToS, and those players can be reported.

If they actually announce in chat that they're gonna AFK and get carried, then you can report it. If they just stand there without saying a word, then there's technically nothing to report.

[van_arn]

This is just the natural outcome of content being undertuned. Why put in any effort of your own when the party already has the two people necessary for the clear? It’s not like you’re going to make the cutscenes any faster or improve your reward by performing well.

I don’t agree with this mindset, but I do recognize it exists and is encouraged by the xp/tomestone daily (low effort, high reward).

Square has needed to redo these instances for a long time, but if they’re not going to do that they need to be brought into the difficulty spectrum (from “free” to “easy”) so players will be incentivized to pull the brakes long enough to kick freeloaders.

If the content is intended to be low-effort, I want the content to be balanced in such a way that two or three people afk appreciably causes effort from those remaining. The community will happily sort itself out at that point if it's there to just get the roulette.

[Gemina]

If they actually announce in chat that they're gonna AFK and get carried, then you can report it. If they just stand there without saying a word, then there's technically nothing to report.

There's an ambiguity there that allows them to turn their heads on such reports. However, they are well within their means to discipline any player who is AFK while combat is taking place. However, I think the caveat to that is a player would have to be AFK long enough for the server to register it. If that's the case, that would mean disciplinary action taken on this offense would actually be very rare, especially when considering players can take care of those who are AFK on their own. This is exactly what the vote kick system is for, and how it should be used.

Reminds of me gym class: Not going to participate? Take an F for the day, and see yourself out of the class so you're not in the way.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

my ego

This isn't about your ego, it's about basic etiquette.

[Fyrebrand]

my ego

This isn't about your ego, it's about basic etiquette.

I would argue it's also not about your ego, because they aren't just doing this to you -- but also to the rest of the group, and to any other group they can, as long as they get away with it.

But on that matter, why does it matter if it is about ego? What's wrong with not wanting to be a total chump who does all the work for a freeloading parasite? I thought FFXIV was the "you don't pay my sub" game, not the "I'm your sub, I pay you" game!