Time to expand a little on my comments about SE needing to hire a healer designer.

[Yhisa]

Hmmm i dont think anything is wrong with the healer role at all, and i personally do NOT want to go back to arr/hw era either , most of it was just button bloat for dps

In all honesty and in my own opinion....they need to fix the "level sync" i have been healer all my life, and yes ffxiv is VERY scriptive in its mechanics and once the puzzel have been solved it does become very easy

However when it comes to old content via "level sync" there is something seriously wrong with the coding, and it does not help that they slap "echo" on old content aswell + traits like maim and mend, which also boosts potencies, which ultimately "overkills" old content where it makes healers into this turret mage rather then being a healer

However healers is fine when it comes to endgame content (legit endgame raiding of the current expansion) yes im talking about the ones which does not have echo etc slapped on it

Se need to look @ the level sync coding plus traits aswell as the echo buff and redesign all of it....this is the main reason why healers get bored in any old raids/dungeons/maps

Also alot of the player base will always push for more "dps" buttons thinking that would solve "their" own problem with healing, and i can tell u from arr times ..u seriously do not want more buttons, its an annoyance on healers to maintain several debuffs in form of dots...to manage on a "progression" raid where people are still learning, when everything goes "badly" those uptime goes out the window

But people will still disagree either way cause its what the "individual" wants and dont want to see it as a "whole"

[Recon1o6]

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I'm afraid to say that a lot of your points have and can be refuted.

first off: there are many comments here and across the healer forums that its not just statics, its everywhere that people don't like the one button dps spam design and low healing amounts. Main scenario, dungeons, alliance raids and yes raiding. The least played content of all the battle content. Buttons should not be stripped just because of raiding because it ruins the rest of the duties

-a lot of people here have played since ARR and HW and people did genuinely enjoy having more buttons to do damage with no matter the content. If there isn't room in the kits for damage buttons, then they need to strip out some of the healing buttons they replaced the damage ones with back in shb launch. Its common knowledge that some of them don't get used and others havent been merged when they really should (cure 1 for example)

-Button bloat was not a problem in those days. Plus now at 6.0 we have charges, context sensitive buttons and upgrades replacing their older counterparts which we didnt have in ARR. Additionally the W cross hotbar which still isnt enabled by default on controller for some weird reason

-Your point on level syncing is completely correct.

-Alexander gordias was rushed and not playtested properly. The devs did the heal checks with godmode on, thats how they ended up with mortal revolution 4 being unsurvivable as a sch at minimum ilvl.
-Midas came out after and was liked, despite astro being numerically better than whm, whm was still preferred for some of it. Additionally we have ultimates now, and they were better for healers back in sb when they had more buttons to damage with

-HW itself was rushed, there were supposed to be 3 tiers of difficulty at gordias, quests for each HW member and more. They had to cut a lot of it.

-casual just means its accessible. Healer kits are more accessible than ever with overpowered healing. There's no skill ceiling because they removed it

[lisaa]

there are many comments here and across the healer forums that its not just statics, its everywhere that people don't like the one button dps spam design and low healing amounts.

It's not everywhere, don't use vague terms like 'people' as if all healers have the same feeling. Just look at this forum, it's the same few people on this forum in every thread. There are plenty of players who like the current healer design and they have no reason to comment on the forum

[Doragan]

i personally do NOT want to go back to arr/hw era either , most of it was just button bloat for dps

I would argue that since ShB, we have healing buttons bloat, and EW is just going to make it worse, but heh.

In all honesty and in my own opinion....they need to fix the "level sync" i have been healer all my life, and yes ffxiv is VERY scriptive in its mechanics and once the puzzel have been solved it does become very easy

Non sequitur. What's the problem with Level sync? I think it used to be a lot more busted before, but I do kinda understand where you're coming from. (especially SCH in pre-30 content, it still is to some capacity but you really didn't need to do anything back in HW and SB).
The game is definitely scripted, but I admit e12s sorta random p1 was fun for me. So is A11s with numbers, but that's not really important.

However healers is fine when it comes to endgame content (legit endgame raiding of the current expansion) yes im talking about the ones which does not have echo etc slapped on it

I don't think healers are fine. There's very little personal challenge and you spend all the overwhelming majority of your time spamming a nuke, it's really not fun.

Se need to look @ the level sync coding plus traits aswell as the echo buff and redesign all of it....this is the main reason why healers get bored in any old raids/dungeons/maps

I think ARR level sync really locks you out of your base kit, and it can be a bit jarring at times, yeah, but it's definitely not an issue during/after level 50. BLM doesn't play the same until Level 60 though, but EW will fix the mana management. Should be better in some capacity atleast.

However, this isn't why the healers get bored in old content at all.
A single dot and a nuke isn't compelling, interesting, or good gameplay in any content. Could be in Baelsar's Wall or TEA, it doesn't matter.

Also alot of the player base will always push for more "dps" buttons thinking that would solve "their" own problem with healing

There isn't a problem with healing in particular. I could argue the healing actions are too strong, but the issue is that downtime. I want to do more than pressing a dot then nuke until my keycap rots.

and i can tell u from arr times ..u seriously do not want more buttons, its an annoyance on healers to maintain several debuffs in form of dots...to manage on a "progression" raid where people are still learning, when everything goes "badly" those uptime goes out the window

Except that at that time, bar a3s, you rarely needed high healer DPS to pass DPS checks, and if you did need it, it pushed you to play more efficiently. You had things like Virus, Disable, Bane, Selene and Eos having 3 spells each, Rouse. They were useful, and pushed to focus on more things than just Broil.
If you want to stare at the boss for 10 minutes straight, just do it. I'm not going to judge you, but I want to do more than that. Personally, I want more things to do.

But people will still disagree either way cause its what the "individual" wants and dont want to see it as a "whole"

"In all honesty and in my own opinion" -> I don't know about that.
As a whole, I would like to have my DPS options back. If you don't want to use it in dungeons as an "individual", that's perfectly fine. It will not remove anything from your gameplay. However, I want to do more than nuking my fingers off. DoTs and Bane were fun. I want them back.

Majority of healers have "statics" full of people or equal skill + quick learning etc, so "they" rarely will adventure out away from this static when it comes to raiding

I've been helping people progging themselves and they're like every other player. Also, people are humans. Statics break. All the time. I don't think I know anyone in a static who is still as a group since 2.0. Like-minded people,sure. The same people though, no.

There is a massive difference between "pug" raiding and being in a "static" raid for years ...of course the "static" raid will make thinga boring over time because players will "rarely" make mistake over time and you have a competent co healer + tanks and strong dps

No? There might be a communication problem here and there, but pug =/= bad player. You just aren't familiar with them, and they aren't familiar with you. It has nothing to do with making it boring.

Now when it comes to "pugs" ohhh boy , you often spend more time "healing" and "raising" due to things go badly quickly

It's anecdotal at best, but it isn't a generality. And again, people are human. Your "years friends static" also make mistakes. We all do.

The problem lies i think certain people have became too comfortable around their statics (not a bad thing, but it does turns those players to have blinkers equipped only) when reality under the "pug" healers are completely fine...well in severe cases can be VERY stressful to even heal them at times

Which one is it? pugs are bad and you need to heal them or they are completely fine?
And what does it has to do with needing a healer designer, anyways?
It can also be stressful to heal a static. Or to DPS. It's a video game, of course it's going to be atleast a bit stressful in some capacity. Nothing overwhelming though?

People need to take a step back as see this from a 3rd perspective , ffxiv is a casual game where u can drop in and out anytime, and even yoshi p have stated this, and its been like this since arr where u can drop in and out

That doesn't make the Healer role design any less boring currently. You can't casually do UCoB.

Now i understand people want more "complexity" or more "challenges" but SE have done that in the past and it destroyed alot of statics ....

Casual game. Right?
I'm fairly sure no one asked A3S again. All healer players want is something to do.

So as i said the healer role needs to be seen in 3 lights
static raiding
pug raiding
Old content

No.
No.
No.

It's still the same mechanics. The only difference between "static raiding" and "pug raiding" is communication methods and trust. That doesn't impact the actual fights. It doesn't make you do more as a healer. Communication issues may cause some wipes, yes. But it's very much the same fights. If you use the PF macro in statics, you will see it's very much the same. Some things might be different, but it doesn't matter -- It's still same fight.
Old content is unsync'd or simpler due to your potencies being higher to the previous expac,so you can faceroll it.

I'm really sorry to put it this way, but most of the "problems" you raised were about communication and your own preferences. Not the state of the Healer jobs, or their current position in the game.

[AikenDrum]

It will not remove anything from your gameplay.

it will though:

its an annoyance on healers to maintain several debuffs in form of dots...to manage on a "progression" raid where people are still learning, when everything goes "badly" those uptime goes out the window

would have to learn how to manage rotation, the horror! will be just as annoying as playing tank or dps, cant allow that!