Baffling behavior

[Necrogen]

How were the DPS the first to die? What was attacking them? That first pack - the only one you mention fighting - doesn't really have AoE of any kind... did you fail to establish aggro? Or did the dps run off and pull bonus mobs?

See... You didnt read. I DIED first due to no support.

Picture this. The storm blood lvl 69 dungeon. The first mob. I engage to aggro them. I had stance on and i used aoe. I got hit. In that 2 second span, the team had walked off and presumed i was goinf to pull more. I said oh, no problem, lets go.

The second pack (3 dudes) I engage again. Attack first to establish aggro. In that 2 second span, the same thing happens. No heals. I die AND the dps die after. I suggested that we play our roles and the dps take the healers side...even though no heals were made and we all died. Im happy to clarify, its just ive wrote this 3x already and i feel some people arent reading anything.

[Mimilu]

See... You didnt read. I DIED first due to no support.

Picture this. The storm blood lvl 69 dungeon. The first mob. I engage to aggro them. I had stance on and i used aoe. I got hit. In that 2 second span, the team had walked off and presumed i was goinf to pull more. I said oh, no problem, lets go.

The second pack (3 dudes) I engage again. Attack first to establish aggro. In that 2 second span, the same thing happens. No heals. I die AND the dps die after. I suggested that we play our roles and the dps take the healers side...even though no heals were made and we all died. Im happy to clarify, its just ive wrote this 3x already and i feel some people arent reading anything.

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

[Necrogen]

Reading this and looking at your character's GNB level and gear, I have to wonder a few things about the situation:
-Did you use your cooldowns properly? In XIV, especially in dungeons, knowing how to rotate through your cooldowns is very important to prosper as a tank. Unless you know a big hit is coming and the ability in question won't be off cooldown for it, you should be rotating through your tanking cooldowns when they're needed.
-Is your gear maybe too low level (you're currently level 69 wearing the level 60 gear you get from the GNB quest)?

And something important to note about healer culture in XIV; In XIV the fights are so scripted the need to keep someone at 100% HP at all times incase of random damage-spikes just isn't a thing. A veteran healer will generally heal you when they think you won't survive the next hit. This extends to dungeons as well.

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

[Necrogen]

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

In the span of a half button press? No, sorry, i havent mastered hyperspeed.

[Lunalepsy]

As a healer, I love DPSing and healing.

[Necrogen]

We just don't know. We're only getting the side of the story from someone who is frustrated over a kick and hearing none of the story from the side of 3 other people who felt that kick was justified. Especially considering even the dps who died are on the healers side.

For all we know, the OP stopped at a single pack, while the group expected 2-3. They pulled more next time, did it badly, some dps died to stray mobs, the healer was trying to Holy stun the pack and couldn't react in time, the OP immediately starts berating the healer. Obviously I could be completely off the mark. But with random stories on the forum you just don't know. After all, very few people who act unreasonably go onto the forums and write a thread about how they played badly and were kicked for good reason.

Its funny how you have this neat little narrative set up and on the same breath say, you cant say for sure. Thats such a waste of time to even comment if you're going to negate your own point.

[Necrogen]

I've read the OP's post twice now and still don't understand the point they're trying to make.

Regarding the first death, the group takes the majority of the blame for not paying attention and realizing the tank has stopped, and if they went ahead and pulled the next pack, they could have just brought it back to the tank, although OP also fails his perception check (for my fellow D&D nerds out there) and could have just as easily followed the group that clearly ran ahead rather than stay back to sulk and die. Sounds like it was just a big misunderstanding though with no real harm done, so let's move on to the confusing part.

So we're doing single pulls, fighting 3 mobs, and the healer is DPSing. This seems to boggles OP's mind despite being completely normal behavior. Very little healing should be needed when doing single pulls, so you bet your shiny tank bum the healer is going to help dps the mobs down. If you want your healer to focus primarily on healing, give them something to heal and do bigger pulls.

So the tank, at this point, begins berating the healer and then the 2 DPS die? On a single pull of 3 mobs? How?! Did you not have aggro anymore? Even then, I doubt it would have been enough to kill both the DPS before either you or the healer can react. Did you die? If so..
How?! It's a 3 mob pull, they should have died before you even take enough damage to bite the dust, especially with the healer DPSing. Something doesn't add up here.

Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.

[Necrogen]

Send me these DPS-happy healers, I'll gladly take them off your hands. Because I'm so sick and tired of seeing white mages that refuse to use anything other than cure 1 and Medica 2 spam at level 80, scholars that hoard Aetherflow and ignore their fairy cooldowns while relying solely on Adloquium and Physick, and Astro's that either follow in white mage's footsteps by spamming diurnal Aspected Helios and Benefic 1, or Nocturnal Aspected Helios which just overwrites their own shields or doesn't even apply them because no damage has gone out. All while not even using the myriad of FREE abilities at their disposal or understanding the main mechanic of their job.

And because a sizeable amount of this community don't actually know how healers even work, they'll congratulate whoever just spammed their aoe heal the most and blows their entire wad of cooldowns on a minor scratch over the one that heals when the party needs it and picks up the slack when Captain Cure inevitably bites the dust to some mechanic or avoidable aoe. The only job that's more thankless than being a halfway decent healer is being a Rez Mage in an Alliance Raid.

And before anyone tries to accuse me of being some "tryhard sweaty elitist", I spend more time G-Posing in random areas than I do playing the game, and I tend to afk in Gridania on top of the light poles. I'm casual af.

Im unsure how to combat this "healing culture". People were taught incorrectly and been conformed to not caring. I main sch. I know what its like to heal and see people die in-between dmg spells. You start feeling out the group and value healing over dmg.

[Necrogen]

Don't even try to post stories like these on the forums, you'll have absolute banger posts coming at you saying "nAY, it is you that is wrong! Because tank is supposed to be this and that yada yada."
People are being so petty nowadays, it has to be my way or the highway.

Ive seen a handful of people who "just cant fathom" this situation. Boggles my mind.

[LittleImp]

You didnt read the many times i clarified the situation. This situation happened in the span of 2 seconds. A half button press and stubborn team mates.

To respond about "healing culture"? This isn't about healing culture, this is a team mate not complying and didnt perform heals. Its nothinf to overthink and complicate. I had some bad teammates, thats all. Im just explaining that i experienced people like this.

You were almost certainly kicked for having bad gear while blaming the healer for being unable to keep you alive. The gear you're currently wearing on your Lodestone isn't even that great at level 60, much less the 69 dungeon which hits fairly hard.

For comparison, the Outriders Coat has 474 defense. The Xenobian Surcoat, which drops in that dungeon, has 868 defense. The armor from the previous dungeon has 739 defense.