Baffling behavior

[Poporito_Popoto]

Darn, I was late with my inb4; people already think OP is in the wrong!

They were right.

[RobynDaBank]

They were right.

OP can never be right. If this post came from the healer they'd get lambasted for not cooperating. Rule 101 of the forums.

[Izscha]

OP can never be right. If this post came from the healer they'd get lambasted for not cooperating. Rule 101 of the forums.

Yeah sorry for pointing out how bizarre those stories are and funny how each single time the "I'm right believe me" are never the ones that are actually right.
No matter what you play Healer tank DPS if you start to rant about random bs on a forum you first think if maybe you were the problem and not automatically assume it's others the meanies.
Forum 101 indeed.

[Breakbeat]

Darn, I was late with my inb4; people already think OP is in the wrong!

Is there any topic on Earth you could post without a differing opinion to yours?

Imagine the darkest, most heinous crap on Earth - you post condemning that thing. There will always be another human with ideas contrary to yours, explaining why that thing is not only un-heinous, but should be celebrated by the masses.

I mean, I get the humor of racing to an 'inb4', but exactly what would you post where none of the other 8 billion people on this planet disagree with you? I could post a thread on ending world hunger, and it's guaranteed someone will oppose the idea... shoot, it'd probably be Godwinned within the first few pages.

Ironically, and IMVHO, OP is glossing over details, misrepresenting what happened, or something of that sort. Random, roving packs of players just itching to do something toxic don't exist. I call BS on anyone claiming that they just happened to run across some toxic, horrible group. There's nearly always an explanation for why one got vote-kicked or asked to leave, or things along that line.

[RobynDaBank]

Is there any topic on Earth you could post without a differing opinion to yours?

Imagine the darkest, most heinous crap on Earth - you post condemning that thing. There will always be another human with ideas contrary to yours, explaining why that thing is not only un-heinous, but should be celebrated by the masses.

I mean, I get the humor of racing to an 'inb4', but exactly what would you post where none of the other 8 billion people on this planet disagree with you? I could post a thread on ending world hunger, and it's guaranteed someone will oppose the idea... shoot, it'd probably be Godwinned within the first few pages.

Ironically, and IMVHO, OP is glossing over details, misrepresenting what happened, or something of that sort. Random, roving packs of players just itching to do something toxic don't exist. I call BS on anyone claiming that they just happened to run across some toxic, horrible group. There's nearly always an explanation for why one got vote-kicked or asked to leave, or things along that line.

I'm not against differing opinions. Yeah, there is indeed humour in "inb4" - again not everyone's cup of tea, but I had my little chuckle thinking and posting it and that was that.

It's true that there will always be someone disagreeing with something, no matter how just or pure it is. But I just see disagreeing and believing differently. I believe the OP because I read the post on its surface, avoided poring over every line to nitpick what's exaggerations and what's a falsehood that never could have happened (except all sort of things happen on this planet, why discount something is out of realty just because it never happened to you?). I'm not gullible, but in simple matters like forum threads I'm willing to believe the case put forward did happen. If it's a troll, I can't fathom their chain of thought. Why make a post explicitly untrue just to see others squabble? Yes it happens, but why?

I'd rather believe someone said the truth than instantly accuse them of lying. I'd rather be naïve than bitterly distrustful.

[Raven2014]

I'd rather believe someone said the truth than instantly accuse them of lying. I'd rather be naïve than bitterly distrustful.

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

[Drkdays]

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

You must have misread the confusion and frustration he presented when he was first unintentionally abandoned by the group, which caused a wipe, followed by yet another wipe with all players present that he was promptly solely blamed for.

That's what he said happened. Why the false paraphrase? That's super shady.

[RobynDaBank]

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

Um, okay? I guess I got too wordy. Sorry...?

Edit: actually I don't understand your post at all. Yes the OP is already owing up to their wrongs and are "blaring from a megaphone" that they're a bad tank. Yet people still doubt any of this even happened, somehow. Because healers can do no wrong. Healers choosing to damage instead of keeping a 20% health tank up aren't in the wrong. It's OP who is wrong even though their own narration paints them as wrong. ??? What's happening here, lol?

See stuff like this is why I'm not the one nitpicking, you are. I'm not the one in this thread placing the OP on the stand and questioning them on every line they said, and every intention and thought and assessment they had. I made my funny post, I reply to people trying to draw bigger meaning from my silly post, I explain I believe the guy on what he said. There's no swings or misses I'm going for. IDK.

[Yeol]

I am genuinely confused how the DPS can die on trash mobs if you are doing your tank job correctly.

OP said that they died again on the second pull. Hence why the mobs were attacking the DPS. I quote him below.

I die due to no heals. They explain that they believed i was pulling more. I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die?

[Jeeqbit]

Im unsure if its the witching hour when I get on but I have had already a few groups in my lvl 69 dungeon where they are just irritable. As a tank, i am supposed to engage correct? stance is up, i use my AoE attack and then either continue attacking and or mitigate damage. sounds simple correct?

Yes you are supposed to engage. Instead of "attack or mitigate" you can "attack and mitigate" where you press the mitigation between attacks.

My team leaves out of range...full well seeing me stop. I die due to no heals. They explain that they believed i was pulling more. I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die? we all stopped and I observe my healer doing DPS...on 3 peeps...

A lot of people want big pulls from tanks and will run ahead, pull enemies to you or abandon, especially in level 50/60/70/80 dungeons. I had to deal with this harassment regularly when I was new to tanking. I stopped the harassment by sprinting and doing big pulls, but this is undesirable the first time because of not being familiar with the dungeon.

The reason that healers do damage a lot is because they don't need to heal very often most of the time. They have heal abilities with no cast time that they can use between attacks and they may have been using these, especially if it was a scholar. Healers doing damage is not what causes wipes, healers not healing is so they should have at least been using their abilities.