Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
Physis II only works on spells, not abilities. Some SGE skills are more powerful, some SCH skills are more powerful, so there's no clear advantage for SGE.

If you have to keep moving the goalposts to prove that SCH is not a better shield healer (or that it has better better numbers, at least), you are not helping your case. Shielding could already be considered "suboptimal" and having to use skills to enhance your skills doesn't take anything away from SCH's power (besides, SGE does the same with Zoe)
True about physis 2, I'll edit that

However I dont think I'm moving goalposts about Sch, Im just analyzing it case to case. GCD wise Sch has to use more key tools that harm its dps or leave it with less optimal heals than Sge to matchup and surpass its shielding potential, at a base level of no buffs both shield the same (320 potency shield) however Sge's shield is instacast while Sch one needs to be casted, with "low" investment Sge takes the crown as ZoE+E!Prognosis is better of an AoE Shield than the biggest Shield Sch can use with the same level of investment Deplo+Adlo (640 potency shield vs 540) potency, if we go into higher investment then Sch becomes better gcd wise for a single hit but keeps being worse at multihits even with consolation because the nature of how haima and panhaima works. When the two are almost identical at 0 investement, Sage is stronger at low investment (the 2 more common cases) and only at an investment so high it becomes suboptimal outside stuff like cheese strats and only if there is no multihits Sch takes the lead I dont think we have the ground to say Sch is a better shielder, especially when efficiency wise Sge has better tools for the shielding.

Some SGE skills are more powerful, some SCH skills are more powerful, so there's no clear advantage for SGE.
I disagree, Sch has neat tools and high heal power but in raw healing capabilities doesn't have as many as Sge giving the latter an edge and if we consider efficiency is not even a contest (Sch has 9 ogcd heals + embrace and out of those 9 4 are dps losses unless recitation is used, in which case only 2 vs Sge which has 11 dps neutral heals + kardia), for every heal or cooldown Sch has and its stronger you can name one in Sge's toolkit that is either stronger than its Sch counterpart, more efficient and/or more versatile, quick examples physis vs whispering dawn, Zoe vs Deplo, all the non recitation aetherflow heals vs addersgall heals...