Gladiator lvl 80 challenge

[technole]

Class-only was more usable back in HW days before they basically removed the cross-class system, like Conjurer could get flash and raging strikes things. Gladiator could cross-class Raise, but it wouldn't work in-battle because they didn't have the trait like CNJ has. so there was some framework to prevent weird cross-classing. But then in SB they moved to role actions. Which meant you didn't have to level THM to 26 to get Swiftcast to cross-class on your healers for-example, it now comes included out of the gate.

I think my favorite one in the day was that JP group that did A12S with no job stones and no echo when it was relevant and that was a fun watch.

If anything they kept some class framework in the game to prevent spending a ton of hours re-doing the whole system with the old ARR jobs.

[Saraide]

I salute you for reaching lvl80 as GLA. I did once a similar thing as CNJ (only took off the Jobstone and did all Dungeons one after another up to most current one) at lv80.

I met with quite a good number of angry Stans worrying about me not being able to perform correctly as a Healer, despite keeping the Tank alive on any pulling magnitute and them only realizing it mostly during the first Boss on average.

The goal of this was for me, to answer the question "is CNJ good enough to heal all Dungeon content?". And the answer i found, was a Yes, it is able to, if you frequently make good use of rescue.

Also, to all the People thinking that this is griefing: it is not. Griefing means that someone sabotages intentionally your experience by preventing progress, which clearly isnt OPs intention. Since Squeenix judges by context, YOU could get banned instead along with the people abusing the votekick system for not only harassment, but also abuse of said system.

So get your facts right first, before youre starting to point fingers at people.

You are definitely making the run take much longer and you are doing so fully intentionally. That is sabotage, regardless of how much you need to convince yourself of the opposite.

[george357]

started with the first tank job in arr with Gladiator it was a fun ride then moved on to pld learned the rotations and did all the job quests capped off job and moved on to next tank before long all were done and i got a feet of each job and its actions my favorite being gunbreaker.

[hydralus]

You are definitely making the run take much longer and you are doing so fully intentionally. That is sabotage, regardless of how much you need to convince yourself of the opposite.

Also it's just a straight up lie they can handle any pulling magnitude. Pull to the wall in Bardam's and even a level sync'd tank using their cooldowns properly will be dead if all you're doing is cure II spam. Sure they could pop their invuln and probably make it through... for the first pull, but then they'll either need to slow down for the next pack or die.

[TaleraRistain]

If you are level 35 or above and do not have a job stone equipped, I will vote to have you kicked every single time before budging from the entrance. It's not that the duty cannot be cleared without a job stone, it is the principle that this behavior needs to be nipped early on. You may not think it's a big deal, but you're wasting everybody else's time. It would be like purposefully driving 30mph on the highway when the speed limit is 65.

Wait. Wait. Wait.

Complaining about wasting everyone's time but intentionally holding up the party at the entrance so you can votekick when you don't even bother seeing how things will go? Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

[Anhra]

You are definitely making the run take much longer and you are doing so fully intentionally. That is sabotage, regardless of how much you need to convince yourself of the opposite.

If your logic were to be considered true, then anyone who isnt doing optimal dps would be considered a criminal who sabotages the game for others, since they are wasting precious seconds of my life.

In all seriousness, as long as it works and it gets the job done, why would anyone sane care if a bossfight takes 5 Minutes or 6 1/2 Minutes? If you consider things like that a waste of time, then you should maybe re-evaluate your priorities in video games and what makes them fun to you in the first place.

[Vahlnir]

I have so many questions but I will settle with asking just one.

Why?

[Saraide]

If your logic were to be considered true, then anyone who isnt doing optimal dps would be considered a criminal who sabotages the game for others, since they are wasting precious seconds of my life.

In all seriousness, as long as it works and it gets the job done, why would anyone sane care if a bossfight takes 5 Minutes or 6 1/2 Minutes? If you consider things like that a waste of time, then you should maybe re-evaluate your priorities in video games and what makes them fun to you in the first place.

I cant believe I have to say this but intent matters. Someone not playing their job well is understandable, someone intentionally grinding pace to a crawl is sabotaging. We're not just talking about losing a minute or two. In many cases your healer can have the highest trash mob dps because healer aoe is cracked.

[Anhra]

I cant believe I have to say this but intent matters. Someone not playing their job well is understandable, someone intentionally grinding pace to a crawl is sabotaging. We're not just talking about losing a minute or two. In many cases your healer can have the highest trash mob dps because healer aoe is cracked.

No, it isnt as bad as you make it sound. Single target damage is still reasonable and any clear times i had, werent longer than 5 Min above the average run, and yes, it is possible for CNJ to keep a tank alive during mass pulls.

Before you critisize something as sabotaging, get your facts first and see for yourself. I am certain that you havent even experienced such a run yet, or else you wouldnt ve spouting such nonsense.

[Saraide]

No, it isnt as bad as you make it sound. Single target damage is still reasonable and any clear times i had, werent longer than 5 Min above the average run, and yes, it is possible for CNJ to keep a tank alive during mass pulls.

Before you critisize something as sabotaging, get your facts first and see for yourself. I am certain that you havent even experienced such a run yet, or else you wouldnt ve spouting such nonsense.

I have played with low dps healers and it is 100% a slog. And since in OP's case it's intentionally self gimping, it's also intentionally sabotaging. For healers even more so because of how strong healer aoe is. Since you are so quick to assuming, I bet you have never played with a healer who is actually good at the game and does damage. Trash mobs melt so much quicker (which are the enemies that actually matter btw in case you didnt know).

I have 0 problems with the no job stone PFs attempting to do whatever content but if you do that in DF you're just telling other people to carry you because you cant be bothered to contribute. Dungeons being easy content is no excuse to disrespect the people you get matched up with.