Gladiator lvl 80 challenge

[Duskane]

i mean if he knew what he was doing wouldn't really putting any stress on healers or w/e
GLD still gets sentinal,all the role skills
only defensive tool hes missing is hallowed ground and sheltron,
and 95% of PLD players let hallowed ground collect dust in dungeons anyway and sheltron isn't anything to write home about.

like i said if he knew what he was doing it just make the run a little slower not harder for others you dont lose stats without a job stone.

[Rongway]

i mean if he knew what he was doing wouldn't really putting any stress on healers or w/e
GLD still gets sentinal,all the role skills
only defensive tool hes missing is hallowed ground and sheltron,
and 95% of PLD players let hallowed ground collect dust in dungeons anyway and sheltron isn't anything to write home about.

like i said if he knew what he was doing it just make the run a little slower not harder for others you dont lose stats without a job stone.

Missing:

• Spirits Within - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Sheltron - lower healer DPS due to having to babysit more: party takes longer to kill things
• Prominence - lower AoE DPS: party takes longer to kill trash
• Cover - no major loss
• Hallowed Ground - lower healer DPS due to having to babysit more: party takes longer to kill things
• Goring Blade - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Divine Veil - probably no major loss, as having it probably won't change how many AoE heals the healer has to cast
• Clemency - loss depends on who you ask...Clemency itself is a DPS loss over letting a healer use something better on you though
• Royal Authority - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Intervention - probably no major loss
• Holy Spirit - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Requiescat - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Passage of Arms - no major loss
• Holy Circle - lower AoE DPS: party takes longer to kill trash
• Intervene - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things
• Atonement - lower DPS: party takes longer to kill things

Twelve out of the sixteen things on this list result in "party takes longer" by their absence. Not just one thing. Twelve.

This is a team game, and subjecting 3/7/23 other people to OP's purposefully bad decisions is not "a challenge"; it is inconsiderate and deserving of a lockout just for the attempt, opportunistic in the case the party for some reason doesn't kick you, and egotistical in either case.

[brackpapper]

I think it's funny that someone bothered to take the time to do this. When I was a new player within the past two years I thought the class/job distinction was strange because it seemed so pointless. As I learned more about the changes to the game over time I thought it interesting that it was a vestige of a system where choice between more flexible class and a specialized job was part of the design. Of course as little of a choice as it is now, I realized it was too integrated in the story and early game scenario to justify doing away with entirely.

As someone who was sad upon being forced to become a bard, I respect whoever is willing to put up with tons of indignant people yelling at them in order to finish this experiment.

[EzekielBook]

Whoa. I haven't seen people get this angry outside of the WoW forums in a long time.

I hear people saying how the DF dungeons are really easy, about how healers get bored with very little to do, about how it's all rush-rush-rush. And then someone chooses a perfectly legal in-game path, one that makes life a little more interesting for them, while not being too far out of line for anyone else, and people are jumping on them.

There are enough players in the game that you'll likely never encounter someone else doing this. Surely you can cut the one person who does do it a little slack?

Besides, the Paladin story line is not fun (to say the least). If there were a class where you would want to skip it, that'd be it.

[RobynDaBank]

Whoa. I haven't seen people get this angry outside of the WoW forums in a long time.

I hear people saying how the DF dungeons are really easy, about how healers get bored with very little to do, about how it's all rush-rush-rush. And then someone chooses a perfectly legal in-game path, one that makes life a little more interesting for them, while not being too far out of line for anyone else, and people are jumping on them.

There are enough players in the game that you'll likely never encounter someone else doing this. Surely you can cut the one person who does do it a little slack?

Besides, the Paladin story line is not fun (to say the least). If there were a class where you would want to skip it, that'd be it.

I mean, as someone who has never, ever tanked before in a game before the Paladin I got to 50 today, I'd just like to say the OP really missed out, lol. PLD's story has obviously more effort in there (at least from 30-50), nothing at all felt to be there in GLD TBH. Not to say they're literature award-winning ones, OFC.

And, I mean sure, people on the forums find DF easy. But given my own experience of lower leveling dungeons, there has been a wealth of Scholars spamming Physick, not using Aetherflow, no use of faerie CDs, and precast Adlos that snatch aggro at the start of pulls towards the healer. My health bounces from topped off for multiple minutes all down to less than half most of the time. I'm able to not be a total sponge and am able to account for the gaps in skill of healers mostly because of being a PLD with Sheltron and some measure of damage.

It's "legal", yes. Is it fun for anyone else but the GLD expecting everyone else to do better and above for them, no. You should try tanking Bardam's Mettle without your job stone and see how that fares, lol. /shrug

[weebtext]

There are enough players in the game that you'll likely never encounter someone else doing this. Surely you can cut the one person who does do it a little slack?

Give one person a free pass and more will appear.

Besides, the Paladin story line is not fun (to say the least). If there were a class where you would want to skip it, that'd be it.

Good news! There's actually a feature that lets you skip a story you hate! It's called pressing esc to skip the cutscenes, and you can even mash through dialogue!

[Saraide]

Whoa. I haven't seen people get this angry outside of the WoW forums in a long time.

I hear people saying how the DF dungeons are really easy, about how healers get bored with very little to do, about how it's all rush-rush-rush. And then someone chooses a perfectly legal in-game path, one that makes life a little more interesting for them, while not being too far out of line for anyone else, and people are jumping on them.

There are enough players in the game that you'll likely never encounter someone else doing this. Surely you can cut the one person who does do it a little slack?

Besides, the Paladin story line is not fun (to say the least). If there were a class where you would want to skip it, that'd be it.

But why? There's no reason to cut them any slack. This is not someone who missed jobs being a thing. This is deliberatly contributing less and parading it "challenge" when they themselves are not even the person who is experiencing anything challenging. Dungeons are easy and smooth when everyone contributes, this person here is just out there wasting time.

[Ferra]

*snip*

A self-inflicted challenge that you have to apply to a group is at best a severe hinderance. At worst it's flat out griefing.

If you want to challenge yourself, fantastic: Do a Dark Souls no hit run. Beat Doom with only the pistol. How you spend your time is on you but I think it's extremely disrespectful to impact my time for your 'challenge'. I didn't sign up for it. I'm trying to get tomestones or something.

RP wise I play Ferra as a Pugilist, especially since there is lore that shows that Puggies can do things that Monks cannot. However I would not want to subject others (and especially myself, I lose SO MUCH utility and DPS) the torment of actually playing the class and impacting DPS checks.

You can play however you want. If it's impacting others who play, however, you best be ready to embrace the consequences of it.

[hydralus]

I don't really care about all that. I just think it's weird to call it a challenge when it's not. It vastly simplifies the class design and just makes things die slower (You'll be doing somewhere around 40% less damage to mobs just because you're missing your second AoE at level 40 onward so it's hardly insubstantial). Now if you tried to get to floor 200 of POTD as a GLD now that's a freakin' challenge right there.

As you've said there's no discernible difference between a gimped tank and a shit tank. It's nothing special.

[Nethereal]

Either this was bait or my man just got reality checked so hard they had a midlife crisis cause I ain't seeing any replies.