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    I saw someone on Reddit suggest that TBN gets a two shields, 15+10%, and if the first shield breaks you'll get your free flood/edge. Either that or it gives you a proc at 50%. It wouldn't require much changing but would make the ability more functional outside of straight tank busters. Probably a better idea with a similar concept but something like that would probably be a good QoL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalocin View Post
    I saw someone on Reddit suggest that TBN gets a two shields, 15+10%, and if the first shield breaks you'll get your free flood/edge. Either that or it gives you a proc at 50%. It wouldn't require much changing but would make the ability more functional outside of straight tank busters. Probably a better idea with a similar concept but something like that would probably be a good QoL
    This would be better... but at the same time, it'd also remove the main point of the mechanic. Not that I'm a huge fan of that mechanic, so... /shrug?

    (Alternatively, have it grant MP proportionate to barrier consumed?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    This would be better... but at the same time, it'd also remove the main point of the mechanic. Not that I'm a huge fan of that mechanic, so... /shrug?

    (Alternatively, have it grant MP proportionate to barrier consumed?)
    Like I said, probably a better idea with a similar concept. You'd lose the flashy bit with the skills but even just getting mana back would be a better execution. The all or nothing approach if it has to be tied to a dps ability is probably the larger issue at heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalocin View Post
    Like I said, probably a better idea with a similar concept. You'd lose the flashy bit with the skills but even just getting mana back would be a better execution. The all or nothing approach if it has to be tied to a dps ability is probably the larger issue at heart
    Agreed. I'm fine with max reward only coming from max consumption, but I hate getting nothing despite having consumed some 80+% of that barrier.
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    Ryaduera Tengille
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Agreed. I'm fine with max reward only coming from max consumption, but I hate getting nothing despite having consumed some 80+% of that barrier.
    There is also absolutely no cohesion with the kit. Increasing ally defenses is good and does make shields better... but if you didn't use Dark Passenger or Oblation there then maybe that 1% that was left would have broken? Well, PLD gets cover and also has no cohesion with their kit since they get a lot of self healing. It doesn't even work with HG. This seems backwards to me...

    Dark Knight, thematically, was a knight who dropped his shield in order to make better use of his sword to defend as many people as possible, but always knows you cannot save them all. Instead, our main ability... is a shield. You either need to provide a reward even if it doesn't break, or you need to ensure ways for it to break after all. I still think an AoE cover effect would be really unique. Standing near the DRK redirects damage to it (Damage cap being a percentage of DRK HP to ensure it never outright kills him) so you can use TBN on yourself and ensure it breaks.

    Hell, with an AoE cover, you can make it apply its damage as a dot that matches the duration of TBN. It would be like divine veil, but edgy. DoTs are easy to deal with since shields and regen effects both counteract it very well and throwing TBN on when you aren't at full health means regen effects will top you off while you wait for it to break your TBN.
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    Last edited by Ryaduera; 11-04-2021 at 03:33 PM.
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