Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
What I was referring to there was the End of Days, and notably there, we don't really have any notion of life before that point that says their society was anything less than perfect. That doesn't sound right to me, because this isn't a game that introduces perfect fallen societies despite ample chance to, there's always been acknowledged flaws (other stories would've been happy to paint Sharlayan, Allag, Ala Mhigo, Doma, Bozja, or the Crystarium as effectively perfect).
How true is this really though? What flaws is the Crystarium supposed to have, they're too reliant on the Exarch? What flaws were Nym or Amdapor supposed to have, they participated in a war? What flaws were the dragons supposed to have, Nidhogg was too suspicious? Not every society is given some deep intrinsic flaw or sin that justifies it's downfall.

What you're talking about is the Sundering.
I'm talking about both, because collectively together they were the Ancient's doom.

And actually... that's rather different, because with that one we do know they did bad; they were ready and willing to forcibly genocide every single non-Ancient sentient life.
This would be a salient point if not for the fact that it's completely off-base and at odds with what is actually told to us. It is not said that they were going to "genocide every single non-Ancient sentient life". Never are we told that sapient lifeforms were to be among those sacrificed, and it is very explicitly said that they only intended to sacrifice a portion of the world's rejuvenated living energy to Zodiark, after it had time to recover. To say the situation is supposed to be a Biblical cautionary tale against them and then describe it in that way is a gross mischaracterization of the situation.

Hythlodaeus, a person who was certainly speaking truth,
Not that I intend to cast doubt on his version of events here, but his name does literally mean "speaker of nonsense".

Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
At this point, everyone is fully aware that Hydaelyn is a primal so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Look back at what I was responding to in that post you originally quoted.