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    I honestly don't understand the people complaining about Limited Jobs, and advocating that the devs never make more.
    And no, I don't mean the people who don't enjoy playing BLU. Those people are entitled to like or dislike as they please. I mean some of the complaints we've seen in this thread trying to sell their opinions as some 'objective truth'.

    "Players who want to be a Blue Mage or Beastmaster or Puppetmaster won't be able to main it! Limited Jobs are just joke jobs!" That would almost be a fair cop... but if anything Reaper is a good example of that not being an obstacle. Reaper is the version of Dark Knight that plays as a DPS like it did in FF11, for the people disappointed that DRK is a tank in 14. If those jobs were ever going to exist in 14, and were going to have the type of gameplay players expected, the existence of Limited Jobs is not stopping them from being developed, only consuming the name and maybe the aesthetic (ignoring the jobs with overlap in that regard). For instance, the devs could announce that they're adding, say, a Shaman job taking direct feedback from people who wrote docs about BLU as a full job.
    Emphasis on that "if", because nothing guarantees BLU ever had such designs otherwise; I legitimately cannot fathom how a "full" BLU job would play in a manner complementary to 14's systems, and I've yet to actually hear suggestions on how one would play, much less a compelling one -- just people saying "it should have been a full job" and expecting it to drop out of the aether fully-formed. Similarly, nothing guarantees BST even could be added as a full job in the same way. Hell, they apparently failed to implement Chemist twice with it actually on the table for both HW and EW.
    And trust me, from the number of complaints I see on these forums about RDM, MCH, MNK, AST and so on, even if BLU had been released as a full job originally, or was completely revamped to be a full job, or had a spiritual successor like the aforementioned Shaman, there would still be the vocal few complaining that it didn't fit their vision and would need to be scrapped (probably among the people who had no constructive suggestions before). I'm sure there will be a handful like that for the new SMN when EW drops, with everything these forums were praying SMN would get for years, where a few people will pop up with "They ruined it and should start over."

    "Limited Jobs are a blight on the game!" How? How does the existence of such jobs affect you and yours, especially if you make it such a point that you don't play them? Are you mad you can't get into the Masked Carnivale on your Black Mage? BLU's content is entirely self-contained, so there is literally nothing forcing you to level or play it. And given how overpowered spells like White Wind, Lv5 Death and Self-Destruct originally were, its skills were never going to be added to progression content, except as reskins on things like Medica or Foul.
    If you're worried BLU is going to be expected for grinds like Relic weapons, don't be -- the ARR relic grind was just as obnoxiously long well before Limited Jobs were even a glint in the devs' eyes, SB already ran on a relic system that BLU can't touch anyway, and every step of ShB's relic chain had multiple routes to even collect pieces (where the BLU-applicable content was meant to be the slow route).

    "I'd rather they hadn't released BLU at all instead of making it a Limited Job! I'd rather never see BST than see another Limited Job!" Okay, mask off on the 'objective truth' charade. Did Limited Jobs steal your birthday cake or something? That's just an incredibly petty reason to deny something made for other people, "I don't like it so nobody should have access to it."
    Hell, the same level of pettiness could be applied to any aspect of the game. "I wanted Dancer as a healer, I'd rather have never seen Dancer added than see it as a Ranged DPS!" "I can't get a large house, so NOBODY should get housing!"
    Babes, you're not making the game. And it is not made to pander specifically to you. There are millions of subs for 14, and a substantial percentage of them are happy with the goofy, gimmicky, completely broken version of BLU that we got, and some percentage will be happy with any version of BST or other potential LJs.
    Because at the end of the day, it's a game people play for fun. If they're having fun with it, it's a success. And plenty of people are having fun with BLU in ways full jobs cannot fulfill.

    Literally the one, singular, objective reason I can see behind this wave of vehement disgust with Limited Jobs, is the concern that they would take resources away from other elements of the game... which to my understanding, we were expressly told from the beginning that BLU has its own team so that was never going to be an issue.
    "Well THAT team could be working on other stuff-" Yet you complain so much about what they did with BLU, do you really want the same designers touching the stuff you will play? Sounds like quarantining them off with Limited Jobs was the best thing to happen to your dreams.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 10-29-2021 at 10:24 PM.