ToS policy violation examples regarding vulgarity within an FC needs to be discussed

[LittleImp]

This has actually already been a thing; I'm actually familiar with a specific incident that involved a bad-actor purposefully infiltrating someone's Free Company on an alt in order to try to get the members actioned for NSFW things they talked about in FC chat (it ended up working). Was all over some kind of weird FFXIV twitter beef.

Honestly I just wouldn't consider any channel in the game safe when it comes talking about potentially ToS violating stuff.

[lezard21]

I don't really like the idea of SE policing FC chat like that,

IMO the only chats that SE should be policing are Say, Yell, Shout and Tell because they are all public and non opt-in.

You don't like something that's being said in Party/Alliance/FC/LS/CWLS/NN then just leave. Easy.

[Ranaku]

IMO the only chats that SE should be policing are Say, Yell, Shout and Tell because they are all public and non opt-in.

You don't like something that's being said in Party/Alliance/FC/LS/CWLS/NN then just leave. Easy.

That is not how it works, lol. You are still using their service by their rules. It's their responsibility what happens over their servers.

I mean how about people stop being toxic and just interact with each other in a civilized way? You don't have to be a racist, sexist or whatever to have fun and if you in fact need to express yourself in such ways to have fun i can only say, good riddance when such fellas get banned to oblivion.

So yeah, how about..."If you don't like the rules, change your personality towards something that isn't based on toxicity." or just leave. Easy.

[Myrany]

IMO the only chats that SE should be policing are Say, Yell, Shout and Tell because they are all public and non opt-in.

You don't like something that's being said in Party/Alliance/FC/LS/CWLS/NN then just leave. Easy.

I disagree about NN being in the list of not policed. NN is supposed to be a safe, welcoming and helpful environment for those new to the game. It often is not. Being forced to leave it because of offensive chat really puts the new player in a very bad position. Mentors imo should if anything be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.

[LittleImp]

That is not how it works, lol. You are still using their service by their rules. It's their responsibility what happens over their servers.

I mean how about people stop being toxic and just interact with each other in a civilized way? You don't have to be a racist, sexist or whatever to have fun and if you in fact need to express yourself in such ways to have fun i can only say, good riddance when such fellas get banned to oblivion.

So yeah, how about..."If you don't like the rules, change your personality towards something that isn't based on toxicity." or just leave. Easy.

The people I know who were actioned under the FC policy weren’t being toxic at all; They talked about some sexual stuff regarding their fictional OCs. Profanity in any form would also be actionable under this policy.

[Ranaku]

The people I know who were actioned under the FC policy weren’t being toxic at all; They talked about some sexual stuff regarding their fictional OCs. Profanity in any form would also be actionable under this policy.

As alright as i am with all the ERP and such stuff, it's still a 13+ game. Ofc they take action against you if you use their platform for prohibited stuff. It's ofc nasty what that player did! (The rat that is) But sadly a crime is still a crime even if you do it where the police can't see you.

So yeah, just switch to dicsord into a 18+ channel if you need to be lewd. Ratting people out is really sad but that doesn't make the violations alright. Not to mention that such stuff was prohibited even before, they just clarified the rules now that we have a great bunch of new players getting into the game.

[Haseno]

I don't really like the idea of SE policing FC chat like that, except in cases of serious harassment, bullying, obscenity, etc. For the most part I think FC officers should be able to police their own chat channels as they see fit.

My idea: Require all Free Company and Linkshell leaders to select a chat policy from a drop down menu: Family Friendly, Off-Colour, or NSFW. The policy will be listed on any FC/LS recruitment listings, and be shown to any player invited to or attempting to join a FC/LS. The extent to which SE will police FC/LS chat will depend on the chat policy selected by the FC/LS leader.

Family Friendly: All rules apply that would apply to any public chat channel. Harassment, bullying, and offensive material is prohibited.
Off-Colour: Swearing and modestly dirty jokes are allowed. Harassment and bullying is still prohibited. Parental controls can be used to block a minor player from joining.
NSFW: Highly dirty jokes, vulgarity, and "spicy" chat are allowed. "Spicy" chat is only prohibited if it is abhorrent, i.e. involving animals, underage people, the dead, non-consenting, etc. Harassment and bullying is still prohibited. Players can only join an NSFW FC/LS if they are 18+ years old, as registered during account creation.

If you join a FC/LS with an Off-Colour or NSFW chat policy you will have to click though a pop-up warning that by joining you consent to being exposed to potentially offensive chat, and that SE will not intervene in policing chat that stays within the selected chat policy.

SE shouldn't be policing chat. Their job is to design a game and facilitate community through design. Policing interactions between players isn't game design. It's them being the speech police.

[Ranaku]

SE shouldn't be policing chat. Their job is to design a game and facilitate community through design. Policing interactions between players isn't game design. It's them being the speech police.

Wrong, it's their house and thus their rules. You can't just go into a art gallery and insult people and just drink alcohol there and start a rave. It's their house, their rules. Their decision to decide what speech they want in their house, same as it is your right to kick people you don't like out of your house or just don't let them in in the first place.

Dunno where this mentality comes from that people just can burst into others property and act like douchebags without any consequences. Just cause it is a virtual space doesn't mean it's a lawless Eldorado ready for you to trash.

[Vahlnir]

Wrong, it's their house and thus their rules. You can't just go into a art gallery and insult people and just drink alcohol there and start a rave. It's their house, their rules. Their decision to decide what speech they want in their house, same as it is your right to kick people you don't like out of your house or just don't let them in in the first place.

Dunno where this mentality comes from that people just can burst into others property and act like douchebags without any consequences. Just cause it is a virtual space doesn't mean it's a lawless Eldorado ready for you to trash.

You're preaching to the choir, unfortunately. I've been trying off and on for the last couple of days to no avail. At this point I'm basically just...done with peoples' bull. My patience is gone and my filter is cracked.

[Lunalepsy]

"Furthermore, in a Free Company with 10 members, if 9 of the 10 members tolerate the behavior but one does not, and one member files a report and we confirm that a violation has taken place, a penalty will be issued. You should also be aware that even if 9 of the existing Free Company members tolerate certain behavior, if you are joined by a new member who does not tolerate it, at that point your group is no longer unanimously tolerant of the behavior and may be penalized if a report is made."

I'm sorry but this is a massive oversight. If you look at this and think this is ok then I'll show you how I can abuse and exploit this: all I have to do is FC hop while pretending to be ok with vulgarity and report anything I think is vulgar enough to warrant a violation strike on a person's account and wreak havoc ruining people's accounts. If I pretend to be a super sensitive person who simply didn't know what they were getting into then the GMs have no reason to refuse me even if they think I'm lying. Secondly, this is just illogical to begin with. What is and isn't ok within an FC's culture should be dictated by the owners and officers, no one else. If you don't like how they talk then... just leave? Why even enforce this? I'm sorry, I see zero sense in it. Every other example in the document is fine. But not this, this needs to change.

It feels like people are turning this into a witch hunt.