ToS policy violation examples regarding vulgarity within an FC needs to be discussed

[Haseno]

I don't really like the idea of SE policing FC chat like that, except in cases of serious harassment, bullying, obscenity, etc. For the most part I think FC officers should be able to police their own chat channels as they see fit.

My idea: Require all Free Company and Linkshell leaders to select a chat policy from a drop down menu: Family Friendly, Off-Colour, or NSFW. The policy will be listed on any FC/LS recruitment listings, and be shown to any player invited to or attempting to join a FC/LS. The extent to which SE will police FC/LS chat will depend on the chat policy selected by the FC/LS leader.

Family Friendly: All rules apply that would apply to any public chat channel. Harassment, bullying, and offensive material is prohibited.
Off-Colour: Swearing and modestly dirty jokes are allowed. Harassment and bullying is still prohibited. Parental controls can be used to block a minor player from joining.
NSFW: Highly dirty jokes, vulgarity, and "spicy" chat are allowed. "Spicy" chat is only prohibited if it is abhorrent, i.e. involving animals, underage people, the dead, non-consenting, etc. Harassment and bullying is still prohibited. Players can only join an NSFW FC/LS if they are 18+ years old, as registered during account creation.

If you join a FC/LS with an Off-Colour or NSFW chat policy you will have to click though a pop-up warning that by joining you consent to being exposed to potentially offensive chat, and that SE will not intervene in policing chat that stays within the selected chat policy.

SE shouldn't be policing chat. Their job is to design a game and facilitate community through design. Policing interactions between players isn't game design. It's them being the speech police.

[Ranaku]

SE shouldn't be policing chat. Their job is to design a game and facilitate community through design. Policing interactions between players isn't game design. It's them being the speech police.

Wrong, it's their house and thus their rules. You can't just go into a art gallery and insult people and just drink alcohol there and start a rave. It's their house, their rules. Their decision to decide what speech they want in their house, same as it is your right to kick people you don't like out of your house or just don't let them in in the first place.

Dunno where this mentality comes from that people just can burst into others property and act like douchebags without any consequences. Just cause it is a virtual space doesn't mean it's a lawless Eldorado ready for you to trash.

[Vahlnir]

Wrong, it's their house and thus their rules. You can't just go into a art gallery and insult people and just drink alcohol there and start a rave. It's their house, their rules. Their decision to decide what speech they want in their house, same as it is your right to kick people you don't like out of your house or just don't let them in in the first place.

Dunno where this mentality comes from that people just can burst into others property and act like douchebags without any consequences. Just cause it is a virtual space doesn't mean it's a lawless Eldorado ready for you to trash.

You're preaching to the choir, unfortunately. I've been trying off and on for the last couple of days to no avail. At this point I'm basically just...done with peoples' bull. My patience is gone and my filter is cracked.

[Haseno]

Wrong, it's their house and thus their rules. You can't just go into a art gallery and insult people and just drink alcohol there and start a rave. It's their house, their rules. Their decision to decide what speech they want in their house, same as it is your right to kick people you don't like out of your house or just don't let them in in the first place.

Dunno where this mentality comes from that people just can burst into others property and act like douchebags without any consequences. Just cause it is a virtual space doesn't mean it's a lawless Eldorado ready for you to trash.

While it's true it's their property, it's also a false equivalency. I don't pay them to police my speech. I pay them to facilitate a good game design, that fosters a good community. It's my job to self-regulate my interactions with people in the community. It's my job to disassociate with people I don't like, and when all else fails, it is my job to Blacklist people I cannot tolerate.

People seem to have this false idea that you just get to report anyone you dislike and silence your opposition without consequence.

[Ranaku]

While it's true it's their property, it's also a false equivalency. I don't pay them to police my speech. I pay them to facilitate a good game design, that fosters a good community. It's my job to self-regulate my interactions with people in the community. It's my job to disassociate with people I don't like, and when all else fails, it is my job to Blacklist people I cannot tolerate.

People seem to have this false idea that you just get to report anyone you dislike and silence your opposition without consequence.

You pay them to interact with their property under their rules. Same as you would pay a entrance fee to look at art in an art gallery. That doesn't mean you can burst in there and trash the place and draw with a marker over the art they show. You pay them to get access to their service and they made clear if you don't respect the rules of their house they don't need your money, which is really really nice in my opinion.

So yeah, good riddance as i said. Since they have their rules, you in fact pay them to police your speech indeed. You may not like it but it is that way and even as we speak you pay them to do exactly that, if you like it or not. And if you don't, you know where the door is!

[Haseno]

You pay them to interact with their property under their rules. Same as you would pay a entrance fee to look at art in an art gallery. That doesn't mean you can burst in there and trash the place and draw with a marker over the art they show. You pay them to get access to their service and they made clear if you don't respect the rules of their house they don't need your money, which is really really nice in my opinion.

So yeah, good riddance as i said. Since they have their rules, you in fact pay them to police your speech indeed. You may not like it but it is that way and even as we speak you pay them to do exactly that, if you like it or not. And if you don't, you know where the door is!

I go by my own rules. I bend the knee to no one. The people who defend censorship are never the good guys. Never once.

[Ranaku]

I go by my own rules. I bend the knee to no one. The people who defend censorship are never the good guys. Never once.

I mean you did bend your knee to SE rules tho, right? Otherwise you violated the contract you have with them and they might show you where the exit is~

I mean you have your freedom of speech, you can say whatever you want, probably. Just not whereever your want.

[Haseno]

I mean you did bend your knee to SE rules tho, right? Otherwise you violated the contract you have with them and they might show you where the exit is~

I mean you have your freedom of speech, you can say whatever you want, probably. Just not whereever your want.

Of course I haven't. You can't seem to comprehend that the TOS doesn't influence my behavior, nor will I change my behavior to appease the TOS. I'm not a "rude behavior" individual in-game. But make no mistake, that is because that is my natural personality. It has nothing to do with the rules of SE. If their rules become intolerable, then they'll be broken. The same way as laws, if a law is intolerable, I'll break it. If the law is tolerable, I didn't need it to begin with.

It's not a matter of if they impose rules, the question is if the rules should be in place. And I disagree they should.

[Vahlnir]

I go by my own rules. I bend the knee to no one.

I'd say that isn't necessarily a bad quality to have in general. However, that doesn't work quite as well in modern times as it did in medieval Europe. There's a time and place for it. Pick your battles wisely, sir. Various establishments, businesses and corporations all have their own rules that they have put in place for themselves to keep things running smoothly. As others and even myself have said, there's the door. Feel free to use it if this isn't to your liking. You're gonna have a rough time going through life like this if this is your approach to literally everything else. Good luck grabbing a drink at a local pub or buying a product at a store. Actually, good luck trying to do anything at all. I'm being sincere in wishing you this. Truly.

[Ranaku]

I'd say that isn't necessarily a bad quality to have in general. However, that doesn't work quite as well in modern times as it did in medieval Europe. There's a time and place for it. Pick your battles wisely, sir. Various establishments, businesses and corporations all have their own rules that they have put in place for themselves to keep things running smoothly. As others and even myself have said, there's the door. Feel free to use it if this isn't to your liking. You're gonna have a rough time going through life like this if this is your approach to literally everything else. Good luck grabbing a drink at a local pub or buying a product at a store. Actually, good luck trying to do anything at all. I'm being sincere in wishing you this. Truly.

Just a kinda bad quality to have if you ever want a traditional engagement. Though i have to admit it's kinda funny to imagine that the fella just throws the ring to the ground and screams at his SO that he will never bend the knee. Maybe the fella is just really really progressive.