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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm pretty sure the issue is the "you're doing it wrong" statement at the end.

    Just state the mechanic and let them follow it.
    It doesn't read like any sort of insult to me.

    "Stop doing ________" is just another way of stating the mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    It doesn't read like any sort of insult to me.

    "Stop doing ________" is just another way of stating the mechanic.
    It's not an insult but it's a direct and negative order to the one person.

    "Tank needs to hold the slime while DPS pull the lever for the bomb" is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It's not an insult but it's a direct and negative order to the one person.
    Wow, the horror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    Wow, the horror.
    I'm not saying "the horror", I'm saying that seems to be the logic being applied here.

    I think that specific example is somewhat excessive, and one I probably would have overstepped myself, but if that's the line to not be crossed then that's what you need to know to not cross it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm not saying "the horror", I'm saying that seems to be the logic being applied here.

    I think that specific example is somewhat excessive, and one I probably would have overstepped myself, but if that's the line to not be crossed then that's what you need to know to not cross it.
    It's a dumb logic because being direct doesn't mean being rude, and being indirect doesn't mean being polite. One of the things this community does best is being passive aggressive and these rules pretty much encourage such behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    It's a dumb logic because being direct doesn't mean being rude, and being indirect doesn't mean being polite.
    Now that you've mentioned it, I think this might just be a culture-shock/lost in translation thing, 'cause if I recall correctly, that logic actually tracks in japan, and the new rules are kind of enforcing the japanese definition of politeness, despite us having a completely different definition of being rude vs being polite.
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    Last edited by Roda; 10-28-2021 at 03:20 AM.
    ~sigh~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It's not an insult but it's a direct and negative order to the one person.

    "Tank needs to hold the slime while DPS pull the lever for the bomb" is not.
    It just seems like talking normally is against the ToS and you have to say things like a weird robot.

    Everyone in the fight already knows who is killing the bomb and who isn't, I don't see how it's any less embarrassing or whatever for the person being told to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Everyone in the fight already knows who is killing the bomb and who isn't
    Evidently somebody doesn't though, or you wouldn't be needing them to stop doing something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Evidently somebody doesn't though, or you wouldn't be needing them to stop doing something else.
    They know if they attacked the bomb or not, not whether or not they should have.

    If you kill the bomb and I say "The bomb needs to not be killed", you know that I'm talking to you even if I didn't say "Iscah stop killing the bomb".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    They know if they attacked the bomb or not, not whether or not they should have.

    If you kill the bomb and I say "The bomb needs to not be killed", you know that I'm talking to you even if I didn't say "Iscah stop killing the bomb".
    I was muddling "killing the bomb" with "making the bomb explode", but anyway.

    So you say "just poke the bomb until it gets the AOE circle under it, then stop attacking and let it explode". Mechanic relayed, nobody accused of getting it wrong.

    Everyone might know who stuffed it up, but you're not pointing it out. You're telling everyone equally even if the other two people already know to do that, so they know the advice isn't aimed at them. It's not that hard to get your head around.
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