Will Beastmaster appear in any Endwalker content patches?

[MellowMink]

Personal opinion: No job should ever be limited.

Reality: Probably just got pushed back because of covid and the need to focus on the expansion.

I really think that "limited jobs" should be renamed to something else; there are types of content that they can do that other jobs can't do, but that's not strictly a type of limitation in and of itself. "Limited", "different", and "unique" don't mean the same thing either. "Side job" would even make more sense to me than what we we currently have in the game.

Square Enix: Other jobs can't do the Masked Carnivale content; does that make them "limited" jobs?

[jon041065]

I really think that "limited jobs" should be renamed to something else; there are types of content that they can do that other jobs can't do, but that's not strictly a type of limitation in and of itself; "limited", "different", and "unique" don't mean the same thing. "Side job" would even make more sense to me than what we we currently have in the game.

Square Enix: Other jobs can't do the Masked Carnivale content; does that make them "limited" jobs?

Would changing the name help in some sense? Yes like helping new/returning players understand that it's side content and not an actual job. Will renaming limited jobs change anything about the backlash to the concept itself? For myself it would not at all and I seriously doubt it would for others that are against the limited job system.

[Burningskull]

Would changing the name help in some sense? Yes like helping new/returning players understand that it's side content and not an actual job. Will renaming limited jobs change anything about the backlash to the concept itself? For myself it would not at all and I seriously doubt it would for others that are against the limited job system.

For me... It wouldn't. Unlike crafters and gatherers which are jobs as well, it's the fact that BLU is a battle class job. Which is the main content of the game with the story and daily activities. You could remove crafters and gatherers from the game and for the most part the story and daily stuff wouldn't change.

As someone who levels all the jobs, sometimes I get bored only playing my main and may want to do one of my roulettes on another job. Or like when I'm spamming Delubrum I'll switch between all the jobs. I can't do that on BLU. The only thing you can do on BLU is Masked Carnivale or Pre made stuff with party finder groups, and only old content, and ONLY some of that old content. And don't give me that, "but BLU is overpowered and bla bla bla." Being able to Lvl 5 death packs of mobs that most people just AoE down is not overpowered. Would just speed stuff up. Also BLU still gets hit pretty hard even with tank stance and such, and most final dungeon bosses are immune to BLU's "overpowered" stuff.

[Shurrikhan]

It's not limited (no pun intended) to a minigame; that's merely another fun option that could be added to it that also takes advantage of the job's uniqueness.

If you fetter what could have been a job to a mere minigame, yes, you have limited that job to a minigame. You've consumed the opportunity (the thematic space) in which for that job to exist, leaving only the minigame.

You could have had, separately, both the job AND the minigame with extraneous barriers to access, but you will in this case have chosen instead to not have that job NOR allow that minigame to be accessible to those who just wanted the unique gameplay of that minigame (instead gating it behind job experience grinds).

[Jandor]

Would changing the name help in some sense?

Yes, it would stop it annoying me with its terribleness as a name.

I feel like the concept of unique customizable jobs freshening up old content has some potential. Putting BLU in the category of 'caster, but not really' doesn't change anything mechanically, but I think it does serve to attach a stigma to the concept right out of the gate.

[MellowMink]

If you fetter what could have been a job to a mere minigame, yes, you have limited that job to a minigame. You've consumed the opportunity (the thematic space) in which for that job to exist, leaving only the minigame.

You could have had, separately, both the job AND the minigame with extraneous barriers to access, but you will in this case have chosen instead to not have that job NOR allow that minigame to be accessible to those who just wanted the unique gameplay of that minigame (instead gating it behind job experience grinds).

There's more that it can do than just that minigame though, so I don't feel that "limited" is the right term here.

[Shurrikhan]

There's more that it can do than just that minigame though, so I don't feel that "limited" is the right term here.

Yes. Anything is more than nothing. It is not, however, necessarily more than the opportunities it displaces, as is the case here.

It's not that it's doing "more... than just that minigame". Rather, it is now binding whatever that "more" may be... to that minigame. You are removing those separate choices into, instead, a package deal for which you've not suggested any synergy sufficient to outweigh that cost to player choice.

Do I want pet battles, especially if the minion system is expanded? Sure. It's not an addition that seems to be boiling over with favorable precedents it would set, new appeals it'd bring, nor assets to build from, but it seems a decent enough idea that I'd probably enjoy from time to time.

Do I want BST? Absolutely. I love the job theme and likely aesthetics and would probably co-main it.

Do I want an abomination of the two, a pet battle system barred by BST, or a BST excluded from core content in favor of thereby gated minion battle encounters in unique side-content? Absolutely not. That "more" from either the minigame or job would have only worsened the one and denied any decent opportunities for the other.

[MellowMink]

Would changing the name help in some sense?

I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

[jon041065]

I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

Yeah I said changing the name would help with some things such as reducing the confusion that some have not knowing that blu is side content and not a real job. Changing the name away from "limited" wouldn't change the restrictions the system has so wouldn't do anything about what myself and others despise about the system.

[Shurrikhan]

I would argue that it would better classify the job, since "limited" is misleading for aforementioned reasons. Heck, "limited jobs" could be moved away from the caster column into its own separate category, as someone nicely suggested in a separate "Other Battle Systems" thread about "limited jobs" that wasn't specific to Beastmaster.

Neither labeling the "post-processed dogfood" more clearly as "dogsh*t" nor following the reverse as to euphemize it will make it any less fecal in nature, though.

The main problem remains: it's limited to a certain span of content, just as a certain section of content is limited to it.