It's time to hire dedicated Tank an Healer devs!

[Nishira]

For me scholar is interesting but sometimes it feels like there are… gaps? Might be because I’m not even close to max level tho but at the same time, I don’t have it with my whm which isn’t much higher. In a way I feel it’s the healer which they could go the craziest with, both from a toolkit pov and story pov with being a tactician. I’ve not played it before so I can’t comment on gameplay years back but from what I understood they used to have bane? To me it’d be awesome if they got dots and bane back, have AoW extend dot duration with a similar dr in a way as Holy (say 4-2-1 seconds extended, 7 total), and change the sound effect on AoW while they are at it (it is about as exciting as a vacuum cleaner eating a sock atm). Keep the one heal fairy, introduce an offensive fairy which gives you for example a 25% dps buff but a 35% healing debuff and give some fun dps abilities to the fairy. I think that way you’d avoid button bloat but still make the gameplay between the two different versions fundamentally different. One version focused on healing and shielding while throwing in dps in between and the other version more risky, both for solo and group play but an interesting option for those who enjoy a challenge and a more offensive healer.

I can see quite a few reasons why this would never happen, I’m just writing it down for fun and there’s probably a million issues with it

[MintnHoney]

Making it distinct again would be pointless because people find the optimal one and use that. That seemed like the reason they were made the same.

From what I can tell, the way they keep screwing up the response time for pet actions, the philosophy of a below-ground level of skill floor for the sake of accessibility, and the removal of "synergy from the role" in favor of making "synergy" the defining aspect of Dancer, are bigger reasons as to why they removed Selene's skills.
Otherwise, SCHs would still have a single target silence (which was difficult to use because of pet responsiveness), an AoE Esuna (which required you to make the choice of using Selene over Eos, which made healing just an eensy bit harder since you didn't have the AoE regen, convalescence, or that magic damage mitigation), and an AoE haste (which is synergy).

Damage spells aren't being added to other healers so it makes sense that it wouldn't be added to scholar. Shadowflare was a bit annoying with the way it was casted too.

AST is getting a few, actually.

To each their own, scholar is my favorite healer and a lot of people I've talked to feel the same way.

I'm sure that's true, but that doesn't mean that the design cannot be improved.

[Recon1o6]

Making it distinct again would be pointless because people find the optimal one and use that. That seemed like the reason they were made the same.

Damage spells aren't being added to other healers so it makes sense that it wouldn't be added to scholar. Shadowflare was a bit annoying with the way it was casted too.

To each their own, scholar is my favorite healer and a lot of people I've talked to feel the same way.

A damage spell has been added to another healer. Astros got its new star shower attack at level 90. Furthermore, puddle based attacks in case you missed it are getting an improvement to how they are cast. Check out the recent live letter.

Go check out the healer forums and you'll see just how much sch's miss their old kit.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ly-do-with-SCH
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ch-the-Scholar.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-healer-issues

The biggest complaint around healers as it stands, and asked several times in the media tour is "Can healers get more damage buttons"
SE's lack of healer designers is testament to this.
If a tank or dps were reduced to 1 dot and 1 nuke, there would be an uproar. There's no reason this should be the case with healers and it has to stop, and all the other problems with healers get looked at too

[Melorie]

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Yeah, AoW is a huge lackluster imo. I'm not even talking about potency here, but the sound, the effects... It doesn't feel good to use it. I seriously can't stand doing dungeons with it because that AoE is just... ugh, bad.

I also feel that Scholar has been having an identity crisis, not unlike summoner had I suppose. You have the fairy, and you are the "i have a pet" healer, but it doesn't really feel this way. The fairy gauge is borderline useless and feels clunky, I honestly forget about it all the time. The fairy response is horrible, you have almost 0 control towards it, and the tactician aspect of the class feels a bit lost to me. You don't really feel like a tactician while playing and executing your skills. It feels really over the place, and the synergy of the kit looks really weak (the heals are very strong btw, i'm not really talking about balance here) to me even when compared to other healers, let alone another class.

[MiaShino]

Queuing for a specific thing will always take longer on average. It seems like the algorithm takes some time to pull people from roulettes to help you out.

Roulettes though? Those queues are lightning fast compared to what we had in HW or even Stormlood.

No offense assumed! Umm, I would say polling the friends and from own experience roulette queues can actually be much longer on the average.

I am not attempting to be spicy here but this was covered in the first line of my post.

Edit;

We should not compare queue times from HW me thinks as FF14 was far less popular then! I did not even know about it.
Of course the queue will be shorter especially after influx of popular streamers moving from other games to FF14 then they were when the game was newer.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I am not attempting to be spicy here but this was covered in the first line of my post.

Edit;

We should not compare queue times from HW me thinks as FF14 was far less popular then! I did not even know about it.
Of course the queue will be shorter especially after influx of popular streamers moving from other games to FF14 then they were when the game was newer.

Well, if it was only dps playing, queues would still be just as long or longer. The fact queues are shorter means that more people are playing tanks and healers than before, because the ratios of them in content hasn't changes (still 1/1/2, or 2/2/4, or 3/6/15)

[MiaShino]

Well, if it was only dps playing, queues would still be just as long or longer. The fact queues are shorter means that more people are playing tanks and healers than before, because the ratios of them in content hasn't changes (still 1/1/2, or 2/2/4, or 3/6/15)

Well, yup? Of course there are more playing tanks and healers. There are more people playing on average then there were years ago for reasons most varied.

If 10% play healer, 20% play tank, then 70% play deeps out of 100,000 people then 2,000,000 join but the ratio of engagement remains the same you will end up with more tanks and healers then you started with. The averages however will remain bad.

Then you must consider that many are coming from other games where healers may be handled better thus inflating the above percentages. Given additional time queue times for deeps will stabilize at their usual way too long for all as new players move on to more engaging classes or quit.

It is far far easier to fill a queue if you have 200,000 healers to pull from then 10,000 especially if any of those healers are farming content for the many reasons they have to do so. Queues will be faster even if the above ratio remains stagnant.

Our queue times are quite long over here (me, family, friends). As I stated elsewhere though, I am done attempting to prove that there appears to be less playing healer and tank (especially healer). It is what it be and the arguments remain the same of which I cannot counter.

I state my queue time as anything non healer is long. The response is "my queue time is short as dps". I ask friends, they corroborate that their dps queue is also long. We kinda well, we just shrug and sit in our twenty minute queue because what else can I do?

So will end this as I did my last post. There appears to be a lack of interest in tanking and especially healing in FF14. Asking friends, they enjoy tanking more then healing for most content. Square has its collected data and has proven it will do with it as it pleases. My group will funnel into dps positions as they grow bored until they quit and there is little I can do about this. When they quit so shall I.

Swtor is coming out with new content, I have been getting back into Starcraft. I am due to try a second run of Disco Elysium. There are far better uses for my time then re-living the point and click adventure, "I have no mouth but I must scream." Hmm. Maybe I will play through that one again!

[Melorie]

Well, if it was only dps playing, queues would still be just as long or longer. The fact queues are shorter means that more people are playing tanks and healers than before, because the ratios of them in content hasn't changes (still 1/1/2, or 2/2/4, or 3/6/15)

Well.... Again, given how the population grew massively, it's not surprising that you have people from all roles. As boring as healer is, the game that is basically living its peak, the queue times will obviously be shorter. Personally, I _only_ play healers, since I have started playing, that's the role I play every game that has it, since I started playing games (with a few exceptions). The combat changes just make me lack the motivation to stay invested into the game, log in to do dailies etc, since there's zero point for me to actually push myself to be a better player and explore my class - I'll only spam more glare as a reward for that.

Just like no one here can say that people are to stop playing healer altogether because of "healer in need", I also don't believe that they can say that the class design is completely fine because no one has had a long queue.

[KizuyaKatogami]

With how many people have complained about the healers for….a good amount of years, there’s obviously a problem with their design. Trying to say otherwise because of queues is just an absolutely flawed way of thinking. The thing is, if the tables were turned and it was the dps with flawed designs, they’d get immediate attention(which we’ve seen btw, as in ShB Mnk,Nin,and Smn got mini reworks.)

[ItMe]

The thing is, if the tables were turned and it was the dps with flawed designs, they’d get immediate attention(which we’ve seen btw, as in ShB Mnk,Nin,and Smn got mini reworks.)

MNK's turnabout was FAR from immediate.
MNK also got lambasted for

a good amount of years

If anything the story of Monk teaches us how slowly changes happen, even in the face of widespread community disgust.