Are you the loud minority? (Healer feedback)

[StriderShinryu]

Not really too much to add outside of saying this is a very important topic. So many of the "healing is too easy" and "healers are boring" perspective is from A.) those who have a ton of healing experience and/or B.) those who heal with/for a community (maybe even a static) of higher skilled players. Not all, mind you, but I would wager a significant portion. That certainly doesn't invalidate their perspective but it does highlight exactly what the developers themselves have pointed out. The healer archetype they tend to create is not really aimed at the more experienced, higher end player for better and worse.

I'm not a healer main by any means, but my personal experience tends to fall in line with the OP. Often when I do decide to heal, healing is pretty much occupying most of my brain space. I appreciate the simplified DPS. At the same time, though, I use AST when I do heal not only because I love the aesthetic but also because I appreciate that it is a little busier and more active outside of the healing requirements due to the card system and the time delay mechanics. Playing WHM bored me to tears because I really did find it too simple, so I do understand why more experienced players would want more. But, when I am healing, I just don't have the expertise to think about much more than healing if things start going south (which happens often considering when I do heal it's usually with more casual groups).

So, yeah, I'll just say that I don't envy the devs in having to appeal to me, having to appeal to those with even less care/ability/experience than me, those at the absolutely top of the healer food chain, and everyone in between. Healing really is the one job where the demands on the player can really be the highest and the failure point the most detrimental but the player level in both skill and interest is all over the map.

[Sebazy]

So sure, Aero 1 and Thunder is a DPS gain, but clearly not every WHM that did Coils during progression had Thunder selected as a cross-class skill.

Let's clarify here:

Idk what skills i took beyond sure cast and swift cast, but i could tell you, thunder sure wasn’t one of them.

In 2.0 WHM could take 5 abilities from the following:

Ruin - Useless
Physic - Not worth taking unless you wanted a different casting animation for whatever reason.
Virus - Mandatory #1
Eye for an Eye - Mandatory #2
Surecast - Anti interupt, this was very niche for specific situations back then. #3
Swiftcast - Mandatory #4
Thunder - 210 potency over 18 seconds with 30 potency upfront for a total of 240 potency. This dot had better GCD efficiency than even Aero II. Mandatory #5

There was only one reason not to have Thunder loaded. And that was patch 2.1.

I think I've covered all the bases? I'll stop derailing the thread with that =(

[MaxCarnage]

But I've got to sit here and be told I'm wrong by a sprout and someone who can't back up there claims with a shred of evidence. I'm the one making anecdotal claims? Really?

I understand that prog clearing new raids is an accomplishment and I'm not trying to diminish that. I don't know when they cleared. I don't know the situation. I can't speak on that. I just feel like this is an unnecessary pissing contest. And in this response, from how it comes off, it looks like you're talking down on them for responding on a lower level account. I can't speak for them, but I know on my end, I don't post on my main. I'm all 80s on my main. I post on an alt because people, like you have, track others down to find out about them. See their credibility. And attack them on it. Sometimes even going as far as to track them down in game. Personally, I like my privacy.

So maybe, Kolaina is doing the same thing. And they have a right to privacy. Just as I do, and just as you do. How much someone feels like disclosing is up to them. And if someone says they prog cleared Coils, then I'll take their word for it, low level account or not. I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about it because they said their method of progression was different than yours. /shrug

People are allowed to disagree with you. Like I said, even if you wrote a guide, doesn't mean that's the only way it could have possibly been done. And no one needs to justify their methods to you, tbh.

[Sebazy]

People are allowed to disagree with you. Like I said, even if you wrote a guide, doesn't mean that's the only way it could have possibly been done. And no one needs to justify their methods to you, tbh.

Then riddle me this:

What magical means did they have to stop Twintania from stomping their tanks when ours were getting curb stomped if we goofed?

The answer is gear

I've backed up the majority of my comments with facts, math and sound reasoning. If you want to go believe your buddy on their anon word alone. So be it. It's pretty obvious I could pull a log and pov recording out and you still wouldn't accept it at this point. /shrug.

[Kolaina]

rawr(

Sigh. My apologies i ignored you. I don’t visit this side of the forums often, nor click on new posts frequently. I didn’t find this thread engaging enough to recall it existed.
Anyways. Let go of coil. Seems you had a moment of glory and you can’t let it go. You’re living in the past. Just an fyi, not everyone used a guide to clear it. Idc that you or your fc wrote A guide. Not everyone used one to clear. The completion of coil didn’t depend on you and your clique to complete it first so you could show everyone how.
I’m not sure when i beat coil. I don’t have it marked on my calendar. Forgive me for not having the foresight to deliver such a thing on your demand. But i was in darklight. Was probably after you. But wouldn’t be too long after. Point of it is what? How geared i was? What i could get away with? Did you not get drops on the way to turn 5?
You have so much hostility and this demanding need to try and flex over someone who doesn’t 100% agree with you. ‘Hey everyone, Sebazy knows the only way to do the things’. Ridiculous notion. While there exists optimal rotations and party builds. Not every button hit, step by step, needs to be the same. Does that fly over your head?
What are you trying to prove? You beat coil. Congrats. If you were one the first, gratis again. But your need to flex that and attempt to fight over a minor difference of opinion and approach, get over it. Get over yourself.
Coil is in the past. Your glory you are clutching onto is nearly 8 years old. The game has changed. The player base has changed. I don’t even know at this point what you are arguing about. All i read is “i did coils. I know everything. My way was the only way” did i miss something? Not sure what exactly I’m supposed to respond to beyond your emotional tirade.

[Sebazy]

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I apologise if you find me correcting some of your points offensive. Duly noted.

Ps as an edit:

Anecdotal: not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

Consider trying to counter with facts or research of your own rather than decrying my experience as well as the numbers the game client itself provides right there in tooltips. Calling me hostile after that is a little bit cheeky no?

[Kolaina]

I apologise if you find me correcting some of your points offensive. Duly noted.

Ps as an edit:

Anecdotal: not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

Consider trying to counter with facts or research of your own rather than decrying my experience as well as the numbers the game client itself provides right there in tooltips. Calling me hostile after that is a little bit cheeky no?

That’s what you’re screaming about? A word. One that was used to suggest only that your personal experience isn’t the only truth. That there may be other ways. Never said you were necessarily wrong. Only that it’s not the only correct answer. You can relax now. Calm down. =]

[Sebazy]

That’s what you’re screaming about? A word. One that was used to suggest only that your personal experience isn’t the only truth. That there may be other ways. Never said you were necessarily wrong. Only that it’s not the only correct answer. You can relax now. Calm down. =]

I'm the hostile one btw

[MiaShino]

Unsure what the heck is going on above me but I shall post one thing here, well perhaps two.





You can go so full ostrich and burry the head so deep in the sand you isekai into FF14 and pop out in Cutters Cry but reality shall remain the same. The only accurate part of vocal minority is that the ones who chose to be vocal are in the minority, everyone else simply quits playing the job without saying things and we wait in 20 minute queues instead.

[Melorie]

SNIP

I'm going to give you a perspective. Back when I started, I've found that healer DPSing was total BS. I couldn't keep up with the whole cleric stance thing (looking back, that wasn't a great mechanic anyway), especially when it was my first time in a dungeon. We did not have the amount of OGCDS we have today. Anyway, my fc leader at the time told me: you don't have to, if you don't feel good about it just heal - but experiment trying. For my first runs I never dpsed at all, but when I started running the same place again and again in roulette and such, my muscle memory started doing its work, and I was able to do the stance dance much easier, and this felt very rewarding to me: it was like a mini-game - if I managed my cooldowns correctly and understood the fight, I was able to stay more on the cleric stance. It's kinda stupid, if you grab the numerical aspect of this maybe the damage I was doing wasn't really that big, but it made all the difference to me at the time: my gameplay flow wasn't solely dependent on how others perform, I had my "thing" going on as well in case everyone else was excellent. That's also what happens with a lot of DPS players, I suppose: if you learn the dance, you're able to do a lot more than you would if you did mistakes. Now, even CS wasn't exactly a very complex thing, and I'm not trying to say it should be back - my Latin America ping would cry if this were true.

My point telling this is that it is totally okay to have a little difficulty along the way. When people talk about casuals in a... not-so-friendly way, it is because there's nothing wrong with taking the time to adjust to a job, or maybe feeling a little clunky at the start, it's part of the journey. I feel this way every time I pick a new class or come back playing after breaks. It is a nice feeling to actually, slowly, get the hang of it. When the devs balance the class in a way that you can't explore it the better you get... Imo, even those that are more on the casual side, suffers from it. A key aspect of games that involves progression like MMORPGs is the feeling that you're getting better and feeling rewarded for it, and with healers, I wouldn't say we feel it with gear, nor with our kit. There's little depth to it, and depth doesn't equal to complexity nor to gatekeeping stuff.

There's nothing wrong with healing occupying a lot of your head when you're trying it! Trust me, for people that really loves the role, they also would like to feel this way.

You can relax now. Calm down. =]

Honestly, you were the one that felt stung because you got corrected and is over-the-edge. Trying to downplay it, telling others to calm down is quite childish and doesn't really contribute to the discussion. Could you drop this attitude? The discussion was fine until you started with this. Calm down yourself.