Dark Knight Megathread

[Shin96]

Both questions are equally as valuable, but seeing as how you criticized one of those very questions and then proceeded to answer it here has me very confused as to why you want others to stop making their own suggestions as well. All opinions are valid and have the same goal; make DRK fun again

Because alot of them are just plain basic. It's the same old of what we have right now. Either fix it or screw it; I choose the latter.

The fact we ultimately ended up with this new iteration and its lack of essentially everything, either proves the devs don't care, or they just have nothing better to expand upon.

Now I'm the guy with the unpopular opinions. I tolerate views other than my own of course, but I work in my own interest. I don't want 5.0 DRK to be fixed, I want for it to be destroyed. Completly. To have something new, you have to tear down the old. It's no surprise the toolkit feels so disjointed. It's a bitter memory of sophisticated synergy between the old DRK and what we currently have. Do I care about accessibility for newer players? Nope. Why should I? In the end the fact ultimately is I have to abandon this job in favour of their satisfaction. Sounds ridiculous to me.

There you have it. No sugarcoating, no modesty, just plain honesty. Alot of times these forums remind me of reddit; in a way where you have to apologize for having any opinions at all. If it deviates from the popular opinion its discounted.

Anyhow, I never said people shouldn't give their opinions. I created this thread because no one else thought of doing that. For the sake of collecting data and opinions all across. The truth is, we either ask for what we want or someone else will get what they want. You have enough toxic spergs coming in here disregarding all posts by saying the job is perfect and fine. Remind me why I should be respectful in my approach and considerate.

[Ryaduera]

Because alot of them are just plain basic. It's the same old of what we have right now. Either fix it or screw it; I choose the latter.

The fact we ultimately ended up with this new iteration and its lack of essentially everything, either proves the devs don't care, or they just have nothing better to expand upon.

Now I'm the guy with the unpopular opinions. I tolerate views other than my own of course, but I work in my own interest. I don't want 5.0 DRK to be fixed, I want for it to be destroyed. Completly. To have something new, you have to tear down the old. It's no surprise the toolkit feels so disjointed. It's a bitter memory of sophisticated synergy between the old DRK and what we currently have. Do I care about accessibility for newer players? Nope. Why should I? In the end the fact ultimately is I have to abandon this job in favour of their satisfaction. Sounds ridiculous to me.

There you have it. No sugarcoating, no modesty, just plain honesty. Alot of times these forums remind me of reddit; in a way where you have to apologize for having any opinions at all. If it deviates from the popular opinion its discounted.

You're not the only one with unpopular opinions. But shooting down literally everyone elses ideas and saying they are wrong for enjoying something is pretty jaded. You are entitled to your opinion, but acting like being considerate and listening to others and recognizing the value of a masses opinions is what you have to apologize for. Apologizing for being a short sighted ass doesn't mean you weren't a short sighted ass. It's not about the opinion, it's about what you said about everyone elses opinions. My entire argument was just that every opinion is valid and you're saying you don't want to hear it because you think your "unpopular" opinion is better and you're sick of hearing the others, instead of vocalizing your own and seeing if anyone agrees. Every opinion and idea is worth something. This post overall reads like it was written by a salty league player.

[Shin96]

You're not the only one with unpopular opinions. But shooting down literally everyone elses ideas and saying they are wrong for enjoying something is pretty jaded. You are entitled to your opinion, but acting like being considerate and listening to others and recognizing the value of a masses opinions is what you have to apologize for. Apologizing for being a short sighted ass doesn't mean you weren't a short sighted ass. It's not about the opinion, it's about what you said about everyone elses opinions. My entire argument was just that every opinion is valid and you're saying you don't want to hear it because you think your "unpopular" opinion is better and you're sick of hearing the others, instead of vocalizing your own and seeing if anyone agrees.

Yes every opinion is valid, I stand behind that. But we have to find common ground and agree somewhere. There needs to be some major general consensus on what we want or not. Do we want much of the same, which is 5.0 DRK? Or something different in the context of what's interesting to all of us? Granted, my approach is a bit radical, I understand. But the entire reason we have this problem is because the developers think that's the DRK everyone wants. You have to say uncomfortable things to break the monotony sometimes, it's how you get attention sometimes.

Anyhow, yes I am jaded. Why do you think I picked DRK? Because I'm a good boy? Please. If we want to have a whiff or sliver of getting our desired wishes, we need to re-approach this issue from a selfish point of view. I'm not shooting down other ideas, but we have this lazy rework, are we gonna take the expansions in a realistic, self-contained way or see if they can come up with new things? We are on the losing end because someone is getting what they want and we don't. And those aren't the type of people who come here asking for anything.

[Ryaduera]

Yes every opinion is valid, I stand behind that. But we have to find common ground and agree somewhere. There needs to be some major general consensus on what we want or not. Do we want much of the same, which is 5.0 DRK? Or something different in the context of what's interesting to all of us? Granted, my approach is a bit radical, I understand. But the entire reason we have this problem is because the developers think that's the DRK everyone wants. You have to say uncomfortable things to break the monotony sometimes, it's how you get attention sometimes.

Anyhow, yes I am jaded. Why do you think I picked DRK? Because I'm a good boy? Please. If we want to have a whiff or sliver of getting our desired wishes, we need to re-approach this issue from a selfish point of view. I'm not shooting down other ideas, but we have this lazy rework, are we gonna take the expansions in a realistic, self-contained way or see if they can come up with new things? We are on the losing end because someone is getting what they want and we don't. And those aren't the type of people who come here asking for anything.

The class you play has nothing to do with being jaded, literally nothing. Some of the most jaded people I have met were healers. I can't even... What even is this statement... Idk man maybe you like big swords? Maybe you're a huge fan of Guts? If the only reason you like DRK is your vanity, that may be the issue.

You literally said everyones ideas were just fanfiction and not helpful at all. You literally said it. You refute claims that say the job only needs a little attention by saying it needs to be torn down and rebuilt or it will still suck, but now are trying to say you think all opinions are valid. I can't tell what you want, which granted means nothing as I have no authority here, but far be it from me to just let someone act like that without calling it out. Maybe I'm a PLD player then?

[Shin96]

The class you play has nothing to do with being jaded, literally nothing. Some of the most jaded people I have met were healers. I can't even... What even is this statement... Idk man maybe you like big swords? Maybe you're a huge fan of Guts?

You literally said everyones ideas were just fanfiction and not helpful at all. You literally said it. You refute claims that say the job only needs a little attention by saying you want it torn down and rebuilt, but now are trying to say you think all opinions are valid. I can't tell what you want, which granted means nothing as I have no authority here, but far be it from me to just let someone act like that without calling it out. Maybe I'm a PLD player then?

Being a DRK is jaded. You get sick of stuff, you don't play by convential rules. But that's something I threw in randomly.

It's essentially either fanfiction or keeping 5.0 DRK. You either have this guy creating and entire thread with what they want, which I respect by the way. I'm trying to say people should be a little bit more selfish in what they want. What's the point of coming to this forum if you're basically self-defeating in your own interests? And then moan and cry because you didn't get what you wanted when you no intention of asking for anything. Yeah, people are happy with this job bla bla, but are you? That's the question. How you illustrate your opinion is irrelevant, do you take issue with this job or not?

Did our different and diverse opinions get us anywhere? Of course not. Now if the developers saw players having universal agreements on one issue; that's better. Or let's be a bit more radical and throw 5.0 DRK out of the window. Now there's a chance it can get worse but I highly doubt it. They're now familiar with their playerbase concerning this job. You have like-minded people which is more important and actually gets shit done.

You either ask for what you want, or you don't. Small alterations to this job can only get us so far. I'm skeptical there's much to be extracted from this iteration.