Meoni Interview with Yoshida- Sage vs. Scholar

[AnotherPerson]

Also, haima seems like SGE parallel to excog ; but better ?
-I'm not sure if the same hit can consume more that one stack
-50 less total potency, reccource free, longer recast but
-You got an aoe version :
-I guess that would be the parrallel to consolation (less potency but pure shield)

I may be biased ; but I can't find much comparing them that (on the paper) doen't give SGE at least way more flexibility than SCH.

Nope, haima is a stacking shield mechanic which refreshes the shield only when the current shield breaks. It's used for weakening multiple successive hits /autos, not for tankbusters (unless said tankbuster hits multiple times in one instant). If the tankbuster is coming and you throw a haima on the tank at low hp, the tank's most likely goanna die before the rest of the stacks get consumed.

Sage's parallel to Excog is their 10% mitigation upfront 600 potency heal. - Same cooldown, just different usage.

[Sebazy]

The key point here is going to be how Sage's inflated self potency stacks up vs how powerful Chain is.

I can see a lot of healers having to prog as SCH if Savage lands with some stern DPS checks. I'd be inclined to guess that this is the reason that SCH got what appears to be a bit of a raw deal when taken in isolation.

[rewd]

The key point here is going to be how Sage's inflated self potency stacks up vs how powerful Chain is.

I can see a lot of healers having to prog as SCH if Savage lands with some stern DPS checks. I'd be inclined to guess that this is the reason that SCH got what appears to be a bit of a raw deal when taken in isolation.

Are Sage's potencies inflated, though? SGE has no oGCD damage spells, so its GCDs kinda have to be more powerful, otherwise it wouldn't be able to compete with Assize, Energy Drain, Star and Lord.

[Sebazy]

My thinking is that being able to dump it’s Phlegma charges with raid buffs will add up pretty nicely. Take Chain out of the mix and I can’t see SCH being remotely close. Chain is pretty tasty though and I can’t see groups being too keen to give it up.

[EaMett]

Look at 6:55 to 7:10 on that Deployment tactics and Adloquium. Adloquium gets deployed, before the cast finishes - the shield component goes off. Then Deployment tactics can immediately spread the shield. This is a very good change for Deployment tactics and Adloquium.

Thanks! I was looking at that first application which was weird.

[rewd]

That's basically it, SGE appears to have a bit more flexibility.

I'm not saying SCH is bad, and I'm not one of those SCH players that cry for the return of a million DoTs. But it would of been nice if some of the skill clunkiness was addressed; especially now that we have another Barrier healer to bounce off of.

Dissipation has been an issue since it's inception. It's going on 3 expansions without a significant change.

SCH's only AoE heal prior to Succor is Whispering Dawn at level 20. And while that's not bad per se, the other healers get a spammable AoE at 10. At least move WD to level 15, so SCHs have it in all dungeons.

With how SGE operates with Eukrasia, it would make more sense to move Emergency Tactics to a lower level, like maybe 40; and reduce the CD to maybe 5 seconds.

SCH also needs more DPS options, not in the form of DoTs, but comparable big skills like the other healers have. Energy Drain and Ruin II are just so lackluster. All the other healers have big skills/spells that deal AoE damage with fall-off, can't SCH get something like that.

And this new capstone skill is another in a long list of disappointments. Why movement speed, why not attack speed, like the former Fey Wind, or an AoE Esuna like the old Fey Caress. Almost anything would be better than just movement speed, it doesn't even make sense on SCH, unless they are trying to go for a military march or something.

I'm trying to just get all of this negativity out of my system before the launch.

- They addressed some of the clunkiness of the job, though. We can deploy without giving the game buffer time to apply shields; we can toggle Fey Union on and off without DPS loss; pet scaling seems to have been drastically reduced; pet seems to be more responsive, but we will probably have to try this ourselves.

- SCH not having an AoE makes sense. You already barely need AoE anyway at that level, but SCH has the fairy, whose Embrace works like an AoE heal in a light party. AST and WHM needs an AoE skill because they don't have a pet. You could make an argument for SGE having Kardia and Prognosis, but this makes sense too. In order to mimic Embrace, you need to DPS and to costantly reapply Kardia. We know SE's stance on healing, so they are never putting so much responsibility on someone, especially at low levels when someone might be new to healing and feel overwhelmed.

- SCH got movement speed because it's useful and also fits job identity (it's fun to imagine SCH as a general telling troops to move). It's not haste because it interferes with other job's rotation; it's not AoE Esuna because it would be extremely underwhelming as a level 90 skill and too situational (and it would be OP in TEA, so AoE Esuna is 100% never coming back in any shape and form). Movement speed also makes sense with the damage reduction buff.

[EaMett]

Are Sage's potencies inflated, though? SGE has no oGCD damage spells, so its GCDs kinda have to be more powerful, otherwise it wouldn't be able to compete with Assize, Energy Drain, Star and Lord.

Can't really count on potencies being final but I think it's stupid strong in the media tour iteration. I think it was something like SCH > AST has 10-15% more DPS than SCH > WHM has 10-15% more dps than AST > Sage is somewhere here, above WHM. I'll double-check the potencies again (since I'm basing this off of the leaks). That's without raid buffs of course, so AST should line up with WHM in the end. But I have a hard time seeing chain making that much up though. Again potencies aren't final so it might be a futile exercise to compare them like this, but I believe that this is part of the reason why Sebazy said that.

We also need to account for mobility and stuff. SCH is looking a little more on the static end. At least in an optimized setting where you would want to avoid ruin II at all costs. (though I will admit to not diving into number crunching since the embargo lifted)

[Drekor]

Curious how this is possible? It's still two buttons.

There was a video... forget who but basically galvanize goes up immediately when the server resolves your cast rather than waiting for the client side to resolve it. So similar to how you can slide cast with like 0.2-0.3s left on your cast bar you'll literally see galvanize come up before you even finish casting.

[NobleWinter]

There was a video... forget who but basically galvanize goes up immediately when the server resolves your cast rather than waiting for the client side to resolve it. So similar to how you can slide cast with like 0.2-0.3s left on your cast bar you'll literally see galvanize come up before you even finish casting.

Previously the lag in application for Galvanize meant you could spam the Aldoquium and not lose the original shields potency if a tank was taking heavy dungeon mob damage. I wonder how this instant application will change how we approach single target healing.

[Gemina]

Meoni asked Yoshida about the flashiness of Sage and the short talk time about Scholar and wondering if Yoshida had anything planned for Scholar to make Scholar players not feel left out.

Yoshida basically apologized for that saying it was his fault...

I certainly appreciate that he voiced his awareness of how it made us feel, and took full accountability. It took him a bit to actually get to the question. The impression I got from his answer sounded like this in my head, "Competitive with Sage? If anything we had to design Sage to be able to compete with SCH."

When looking at things from this perspective, it's easy to see that SCH is spoken for. It has multiple expansions under its belt, while SGE is fresh out of the academy. The real question is in huge contrast to Meoni's. "Despite its flashy appeal, can Sage even hope to compete with SCH?"

I guess I can understand if this is where Yoshi is coming from. When you think about it, the issues SCH has prevents it from being just this God of a healer. They're like Anima, and still crazy strong despite the binding chains. While it's cool to think about SCH that way, I don't think it's a valid reason to not acknowledge the issues SCH has. I don't want to feel like I'm 'bound by chains', and that is indeed how the job feels right now.