Meoni Interview with Yoshida- Sage vs. Scholar

[rewd]

Curious how this is possible? It's still two buttons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1jAnDzo6Fc&t=340s

They even showcased it in the job action trailer where the SCH uses DT right after Adlo.

[EaMett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1jAnDzo6Fc&t=340s

They even showcased it in the job action trailer where the SCH uses DT right after Adlo.

The shield is already there, hard to tell which gets spread. Though I'm wondering if they did swap catalyze and galvanize in the hit order. From that video... Hard to tell, everything hits like wet noodles.

Honestly doubt they made any changes to server ticks so I would be surprised if this deployment change is really different. With that said, new short dps cast time means you can always deploy on the next gcd.

[Brandedblade]

Curious how this is possible? It's still two buttons.

According to the reddit video on healers they seemed to have noticed that Adloquium applies it's shield near the end of the cast as opposed to the end of the animation. Which indirectly means the shield is applied faster. From what footage i've seen of deployment it did activate nearly instantly. Even if that wasn't the case, the fact that you have weave space again means you only loose the dps of the one gcd cast of casting the shield, so dps wise it's the same cost as a Succor to do an Adlo-deploy.

[rewd]

The shield is already there, hard to tell which gets spread. Though I'm wondering if they did swap catalyze and galvanize in the hit order. From that video... Hard to tell, everything hits like wet noodles.

Honestly doubt they made any changes to server ticks so I would be surprised if this deployment change is really different. With that said, new short dps cast time means you can always deploy on the next gcd.

I don't understand what you are implying with "the shield is already there"?

[AnotherPerson]

The shield is already there, hard to tell which gets spread. Though I'm wondering if they did swap catalyze and galvanize in the hit order. From that video... Hard to tell, everything hits like wet noodles.

Honestly doubt they made any changes to server ticks so I would be surprised if this deployment change is really different. With that said, new short dps cast time means you can always deploy on the next gcd.

Look at 6:55 to 7:10 on that Deployment tactics and Adloquium. Adloquium gets deployed, before the cast finishes - the shield component goes off. Then Deployment tactics can immediately spread the shield. This is a very good change for Deployment tactics and Adloquium.

SCH definitely seems to have a lot of clunkyness removed, though it's unsure still how much that has changed. We'll have to play SCH on Endwalker to find out exactly how responsive the fairy is currently and if there will be any issues with ghosting and such. All things considered, SCH will definitely adhere to the medic tactician role with the direction in which the skills are upgrading.

[RyuDragnier]

Look at 6:55 to 7:10 on that Deployment tactics and Adloquium. Adloquium gets deployed, before the cast finishes - the shield component goes off. Then Deployment tactics can immediately spread the shield. This is a very good change for Deployment tactics and Adloquium.

SCH definitely seems to have a lot of clunkyness removed, though it's unsure still how much that has changed. We'll have to play SCH on Endwalker to find out exactly how responsive the fairy is currently and if there will be any issues with ghosting and such. All things considered, SCH will definitely adhere to the medic tactician role with the direction in which the skills are upgrading.

From a video, it was mentioned that Seraph still has ghosting, and we still have the Dissipation/Fey Union/Seraph being in constant conflict with each other. It was also mentioned that the fairy was very responsive on ability uses, with them able to weave her abilities between Broil IV casts. Though it's unsure how well it'll do when it's not on a closed testing server.

[Calysto]

Additionally, it looks like SCH and SGE will be inversions of one another. SCH shields by default and needs another skill to produce a pure heal (Emergency Tactics). Whereas, SGE has pure heals by default and uses another skill to produce a shield (Eukrasia). But, shouldn't ET be adjusted to be more in line with Eukrasia; a shorter CD and given at a lower level. Also SCH is still the only healer without an AoE heal below level 20.

Just pointing out some hypothetical things ; because some of the skills are direct parallels.

In case gcd heals/barriers are needed (if that even happens) they seems in favor of SGE.
-Barriers get get the same potency (Aoe has a different formula but it 320)
-SGE get ogcd+instant cast instead of 2s cast
-If you really need the gcd aoe heal(let's say for a full hp doom), 300 spamable potency instead of 200
-zoe+pepsi seems better than recitation+emergency and still can crit.

Also, haima seems like SGE parallel to excog ; but better ?
-I'm not sure if the same hit can consume more that one stack
-50 less total potency, reccource free, longer recast but
-You got an aoe version :
-I guess that would be the parrallel to consolation (less potency but pure shield)

I may be biased ; but I can't find much comparing them that (on the paper) doen't give SGE at least way more flexibility than SCH.

[Reiryuu]

From a video, it was mentioned that Seraph still has ghosting, and we still have the Dissipation/Fey Union/Seraph being in constant conflict with each other. It was also mentioned that the fairy was very responsive on ability uses, with them able to weave her abilities between Broil IV casts. Though it's unsure how well it'll do when it's not on a closed testing server.

Mr. Happy mentioned in his SCH overview, he didn't really feel the fairy was any more responsive, but he took that to mean it was because he was remotely connected to the server rather than being there in person so latency may/apparently does have something to do with it.

[zcrash970]

anyone else notice how he didn't actually answer the question

Eh...yoshi-p actually does that a lot

[Eloah]

Just pointing out some hypothetical things ; because some of the skills are direct parallels.

In case gcd heals/barriers are needed (if that even happens) they seems in favor of SGE.
-Barriers get get the same potency (Aoe has a different formula but it 320)
-SGE get ogcd+instant cast instead of 2s cast
-If you really need the gcd aoe heal(let's say for a full hp doom), 300 spamable potency instead of 200
-zoe+pepsi seems better than recitation+emergency and still can crit.

Also, haima seems like SGE parallel to excog ; but better ?
-I'm not sure if the same hit can consume more that one stack
-50 less total potency, reccource free, longer recast but
-You got an aoe version :
-I guess that would be the parrallel to consolation (less potency but pure shield)

I may be biased ; but I can't find much comparing them that (on the paper) doen't give SGE at least way more flexibility than SCH.

That's basically it, SGE appears to have a bit more flexibility.

I'm not saying SCH is bad, and I'm not one of those SCH players that cry for the return of a million DoTs. But it would of been nice if some of the skill clunkiness was addressed; especially now that we have another Barrier healer to bounce off of.

Dissipation has been an issue since it's inception. It's going on 3 expansions without a significant change.

SCH's only AoE heal prior to Succor is Whispering Dawn at level 20. And while that's not bad per se, the other healers get a spammable AoE at 10. At least move WD to level 15, so SCHs have it in all dungeons.

With how SGE operates with Eukrasia, it would make more sense to move Emergency Tactics to a lower level, like maybe 40; and reduce the CD to maybe 5 seconds.

SCH also needs more DPS options, not in the form of DoTs, but comparable big skills like the other healers have. Energy Drain and Ruin II are just so lackluster. All the other healers have big skills/spells that deal AoE damage with fall-off, can't SCH get something like that.

And this new capstone skill is another in a long list of disappointments. Why movement speed, why not attack speed, like the former Fey Wind, or an AoE Esuna like the old Fey Caress. Almost anything would be better than just movement speed, it doesn't even make sense on SCH, unless they are trying to go for a military march or something.

I'm trying to just get all of this negativity out of my system before the launch.