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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    How do they benefit? If I'm unsyncing Swallowing Compass for UCoB boots. I've providing no queues for players trying to get through Stormblood dungeons and it takes maybe 5-10 to blitz through everything. So it isn't like they're getting extra sub time since I'll inevitably get what I want. Not to mention, I had no intention of unsubbing to begin with since I'd obviously be doing UCoB otherwise... why am I farming the gear.

    There is literally zero benefit to this system. What further defeats your argument is they specifically changed Leveling dungeon drops to address this very same complaint. Likewise, Savage's page system is another RNG mitigator. Hell, the whole coffer system is intended to prevent players from getting useless drops.

    You're trying to attach some arbitrary value to grinding a dungeon 150 times. There is nothing rewarding about this nor is making it so you're eventually guaranteed the drop after 12 runs (Leveling) or say 50 (Tokens) making it "too easy." A carrot on a stick only works if people feel they have a chance. One of the primary reasons PvP mounts never works is the reward simply wasn't worth both the time investment and the very narrow restrictions; with the odds far higher you'll put in all that time for nothing.
    You're wasting time doing all this because of your greed and wanting to have X or Y, that's the whole point once again.
    Does the grind ever stopped you to play ? Nope you're still here and still you'll do grind for stuff that you want -> It works.
    I do not attach any value to it, are you even reading what i say or you just answer with something that basically means the same each single time ?
    They're here to waste ur time with pixels, rng is good at that that's it it's part of the rules and the game you deal with it or you dont that's the difference between someone that truly wants something, and someone that will cry on forums that it's unfair and they're entilted to have those items for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    Does the grind ever stopped you to play ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    They're here to waste ur time with pixels,
    Yes.
    It does "stop me to play" because I am not here to waste MY time.

    Make something too grindy and I probably won't do it.

    Make something designed to waste my time and I def won't do it.

    This just means the game effectively has less content for me, and I'm able to spend more time unsubbed the more content I just don't engage with.

    And when I do force myself to engage with this, I, like you, don't have fun running a duty 150+ times. And I'm less likely and less inclined to stau subbed for long periods when I've just had no fun playing for days on end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Yes.
    It does "stop me to play" because I am not here to waste MY time.

    Make something too grindy and I probably won't do it.

    Make something designed to waste my time and I def won't do it.

    This just means the game effectively has less content for me, and I'm able to spend more time unsubbed the more content I just don't engage with.

    And when I do force myself to engage with this, I, like you, don't have fun running a duty 150+ times. And I'm less likely and less inclined to stau subbed for long periods when I've just had no fun playing for days on end.
    That's you and only you, while a lot will still do it because they really want that glamour. It works for some, it doesn't for others we all have a specific reason to play, if grind or collecting stuff isn't ur thing it will be to others.
    It's not grindy to the point that majority stop will stop playing the game because some things are locked behind rng.
    Time you dont spend on grind you'll waste on something else, rng and grinding isn't the whole point of the game, but a part of it for sure.
    Even with tokens, if you need 99 extremes fights to get a mount that's still a huge time sink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    That's you and only you,
    It literally isn't?
    We have 9 pages of people ragging on this system. Even among the small group of players that use the forums I'm not alone.



    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    while a lot will still do it because they really want that glamour. It works for some, it doesn't for others we all have a specific reason to play, if grind or collecting stuff isn't ur thing it will be to others.
    And those people will still have plenty of things to grind even if SQEX adds in a system here similar to EX raid totem or alliance raid coin.



    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    It's not grindy to the point that majority stop will stop playing the game because some things are locked behind rng.
    Time you dont spend on grind you'll waste on something else, rng and grinding isn't the whole point of the game, but a part of it for sure.
    It won't stop the majority from playing, but neither would only having X and Y coordinates on the map.
    Z coordinates were added as a QOL to help make the experience smoother for players. I believe a change to the level cap dungeons loot drops would also be a good QOL.
    The grind can still be there, just reign it in a bit.



    Quote Originally Posted by Izscha View Post
    Even with tokens, if you need 99 extremes fights to get a mount that's still a huge time sink.
    That is a huge time sink, yes. But you go into it knowing there is a light at the end. Extending that kind of pity system to this content is exactly what many of us are asking for.
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