Pulling wall to wall isn't fast enough?

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If you're the tank, you call the shots around there. Just don't go in the arena and let the premature pullers die.

If you're a healer and the tank pulls, you can do the same thing. They can't survive on their own.

Yeah, you should actively grief people because they did something you don't like.
Tanks are called tanks because they TANK the enemy, and not because they pull the enemy. If you're not going to do your job then stop queueing up for things.

[Fyrebrand]

People get impatient about the dumbest stuff, pretending their time is so damn precious they can't sacrifice a single minute. Even the "long" dungeon cutscenes are not actually that long at all.

is there really some epidemic of cutscene pullers and whatever, or is it just a handful of bad encounters in a sea of completely normal ones?

Obviously the cutscene pulling is going to be a minority of the time, because 1) You're not always going to have a first-timer in your group anyway, and 2) Yes, there are also plenty of good tanks out there who have the decency to wait. But we don't need to wait until it becomes an epidemic in order for it to be a concern or a topic of discussion, and all it takes is one time to ruin somebody's first time forever. Also, it's not fair to compare what the average experience of an endgame player is like, who is repeatedly running roulettes and raids and stuff much more frequently. Newer leveling players are the ones who are affected, and they are running nothing but "first-time" dungeons for MSQ.

I love doing dungeons, so I've been spamming them a lot, sometimes all day long, because why not? In the past 3 months or so, I can count on one hand the instances of someone pulling while a teammate is watching a cutscene, and most of those instances can be attributed to a mistake as the puller did not realize someone wasn't ready

Again, an advanced player who runs dungeons all day long is going to have a vastly different experience from someone who is still leveling through the MSQ. The more you run dungeons, the more things are going to average out. Most newbies who are still leveling through the MSQ are not playing the game anything like what you're describing, and your anecdotal testimony is not going to give them their first time cutscene experience back if it gets ruined.

That said, of course you are correct that mistakes and accidents happen. Not every tank is rushing in out of sheer malevolence. However, I would argue that part of the tank's responsibility in protecting the group is to be aware of where the group is and if they're good to go. Just as I am not a "healer" if there's no one to heal but me, they are not a "tank" without the rest of the party. They don't have to literally perform a Ready Check, but I don't think it's too much to ask to just glance back for a sec and see if anybody is frozen outside the boss door with a cinematic icon over their head. Especially if they queued in Leveling Roulette and wound up in Haukke Manor or something. Come on, folks, use your heads, you know why you're here.

This will be an unpopular "hot take," but... if you realize you accidentally pulled the final boss while a new player is in a cut scene, it's perfectly valid to just intentionally wipe and start over when the newbie is ready. I wouldn't say do that if it's just one of the regular 5-second "the boss roars at you" scenes, but if it's one of the longer more important ones like Toto-Rak, Stone Vigil, or Aetherochemical Research Facility, it would be the decent thing to do. You can apologize after and say "sorry for pulling during cutscene," but if you had the opportunity to fix your mistake and chose not to, what worth is your apology?

[Dogempire]

If you're the tank I'm pretty sure you can just force the boss to reset as long as you stand outside the boss arena and force it to come to you since it can't aggro onto a target outside of the arena once it's sealed off and basically force resets itself

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you're the tank I'm pretty sure you can just force the boss to reset as long as you stand outside the boss arena and force it to come to you since it can't aggro onto a target outside of the arena once it's sealed off and basically force resets itself

I did this a few times.

The only way to guarantee to force the boss to reset is to make sure the boss moves outside the purple line so they will get teleported back into the arena. Though sometimes this can happen if the boss is stubborn/doesn't like to move: start casting something -> arena is sealed -> the early puller DPS/healer is stuck inside -> they stayed in-combat with the boss -> they either die or I'll have to teleport inside to ensure their survival. /smh

In the end it's just easier if I just join in to ensure their survival. If there's CS watcher though I usually just type "sigh" in the chat and carry on.

[Lexis]

Again, an advanced player who runs dungeons all day long is going to have a vastly different experience from someone who is still leveling through the MSQ. The more you run dungeons, the more things are going to average out. Most newbies who are still leveling through the MSQ are not playing the game anything like what you're describing

The fault is mine for not mentioning it in my post, buy my 'anecdotal experience' is literally that of a newbie. 3 months ago, I was a fresh faced sprout experiencing everything post ARR for the first time and enjoying the story to its fullest. I went through the entire story on a character, from start to finish, and then decided I wanted to play on a different server and am now in the process of going through the msq all over again (currently in shadowbringer, approaching the end of 5.0).

My newbie experience of tackling these dungeons for the very first time is still fresh in my mind. Heck, there's dungeons I haven't even tried yet because they're not tied to the msq and I haven't gotten around to unlocking them yet.

Never, in my 2 seperate journeys through the msq on 2 different Data Centers, did I ever feel rushed as a starry eyed sprout. This is still only 1 person's account, of course, but it is that of a new player and if I could go through the MSQ twice without encountering this 'cutscene pulling' epidemic, then perhaps it's not as widespread as the more alarmist folks would have us believe.

[Kolaina]

If you're the tank, you call the shots around there. Just don't go in the arena and let the premature pullers die.

If you're a healer and the tank pulls, you can do the same thing. They can't survive on their own.

Good thing i main healer. I’ll keep alive anyone who runs in. Not down with this punishing players to make a stand mentality. Such a hostile mindset

[BaconBits]

Imagine not pulling every single trash mob and mid-boss to the final boss of the dungeon.

Couldn't be me.

[Dogempire]

Good thing i main healer. I’ll keep alive anyone who runs in. Not down with this punishing players to make a stand mentality. Such a hostile mindset

While I agree with you, it's incredibly rude to force a new player to either skip the cutscene or skip a good portion of the fight just because player C couldn't be bothered to wait for everyone to be ready to start the fight

If they think they're ready and feel entitled enough to start the fight while down a player, then there's nothing wrong with not starting the fight because we're down a player and want to wait for everyone to be ready

[Kolaina]

While I agree with you, it's incredibly rude to force a new player to either skip the cutscene or skip a good portion of the fight just because player C couldn't be bothered to wait for everyone to be ready to start the fight

If they think they're ready and feel entitled enough to start the fight while down a player, then there's nothing wrong with not starting the fight because we're down a player and want to wait for everyone to be ready

Except no one is forcing anyone to skip cutscenes. The population is generally pretty good on that. But if you stay out of the fight when you yourself are ready. When you yourself are not in a cutscene, well now you are griefing. You are putting half the team at risk because you need something to stand for. Got to be someone’s hero. The white knight. Doing bad things doesn’t make you a good person. But some people need to feel that stroke of importance

[Misutoraru]

Most of the boss have very short cut scene, like 10-15 sec

if people couldn't even wait for that short period of time, I can see soon they will complain anyone who don't pop sprint whenever it is available