Pulling wall to wall isn't fast enough?

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If you're the tank, you call the shots around there. Just don't go in the arena and let the premature pullers die.

If you're a healer and the tank pulls, you can do the same thing. They can't survive on their own.

Yeah, you should actively grief people because they did something you don't like.
Tanks are called tanks because they TANK the enemy, and not because they pull the enemy. If you're not going to do your job then stop queueing up for things.

[SillyCrow]

Yeah, you should actively grief people because they did something you don't like.
Tanks are called tanks because they TANK the enemy, and not because they pull the enemy. If you're not going to do your job then stop queueing up for things.

Call it griefing, toxic, a waste of time or whatever you like. With whatever condescending tone you desire.

I call it basic curtesy to the sprout watching its cutscene. I stand by my comment.

[Alxyzntlct]

Call it griefing, toxic, a waste of time or whatever you like. With whatever condescending tone you desire.

I call it basic curtesy to the sprout watching its cutscene. I stand by my comment.

I agree with you, SillyCrow. Being patient is always the better road, regardless of the illogic a lot of folks like to post on these forums.

I'll always wait for folks if I see them lagging behind or watching a cutscene. I never mind waiting a bit if it means folks will be fully present and focused when we start a fight.

[LittleImp]

Call it griefing, toxic, a waste of time or whatever you like. With whatever condescending tone you desire.

I call it basic curtesy to the sprout watching its cutscene. I stand by my comment.

Whenever I was new to the game and players "stood up for me" by essentially griefing runs and causing drama on my behalf, it just made me feel really embarrassed about basically being used by a stranger to start unnecessary conflict over something extremely minor.

It's like having a parent that is a karen; They might have your best interests in mind deep down somewhere, but they just make the entire experience worse for every single person involved, including the person they are 'helping'.

[Rowde]

Whenever I was new to the game and players "stood up for me" by essentially griefing runs and causing drama on my behalf, it just made me feel really embarrassed about basically being used by a stranger to start unnecessary conflict over something extremely minor.

It's like having a parent that is a karen; They might have your best interests in mind deep down somewhere, but they just make the entire experience worse for every single person involved, including the person they are 'helping'.

Won't someone think of the sprouts?

If it's even remotely possible that sprout might have a negative experience, then we must treat that as an absolute certainty and respond with full weight and righteous force of moral justification! May our lord and savior Yoshi-P smite these heathens from the lands with the almighty ban hammer. Huzzah!

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Call it griefing, toxic, a waste of time or whatever you like. With whatever condescending tone you desire.

I call it basic curtesy to the sprout watching its cutscene. I stand by my comment.

You can call it whatever you want, but that won't change the fact that you aren't doing your job because you couldn't put aside your god complex and feel the need to 'punish' the people you don't like.

[Fyrebrand]

You can call it whatever you want, but that won't change the fact that you aren't doing your job because you couldn't put aside your god complex and feel the need to 'punish' the people you don't like.

If a tank is pulling a boss before the group is ready to go, then they aren't doing their job. If one player is in an extended cutscene, and another player wants to wait for them to be able to participate again, then that's half the dungeon party who isn't ready to go yet and it is irresponsible to engage a boss with half a group. Who the heck are you to say your desires trump 50% of the party? And how dare you imply that it's my "job" to cave to the whims of the most impatient random jerk who Duty Roulette can find to group me with?

I have a feeling if a player said "Hang on, I need a moment to let the dog out to pee," a lot of players would have no problem waiting. But if a player were to say "hang on, I want to be courteous to the newbie so they can watch a cutscene" for the same amount of time, suddenly wE DoN't wAiT fOr pEopLe!!!!!

Cutscenes are intentionally put there by the developers, as a part of the dungeon experience -- every bit as much as the battles are. If members of the group are stuck behind by something in the dungeon, you go back and help them out or wait until it is resolved before pulling a boss. It seems like you just don't like waiting for others to do their cutscenes, because it's boring for you. That's all this is about. You got to watch it when you went through on your first time, you got yours, screw everybody else, right?

Let's be real, DPS are the only ones getting left behind in extended cutscenes because you can afford to do so without consequence. It's not out of principle or trying to "do your job" to the best of your ability. It's just who you can get away with neglecting and being rude to, and who you can't afford to go without. You're perfectly happy to let that DPS play their heart out and contribute to your speedy run throughout the whole dungeon, but as soon as they need a brief moment to enjoy an important scene in the game as it's intended to be played, you leave them in the dust as if they're not one of the team. It's disgusting and shameful behaviour, but what's even more disgusting is when you try to gaslight the rest of us into believing that we're the bad guys for trying to be considerate to others.

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Go read SillyCrow's original post in this thread, I beg of you. Who the heck are you to say that I don't wait for people in cutscenes/need to brb? You're not being very considerate by making such a wrong assumption.
The argument I was making was that intentionally letting someone die is griefing, however it seems that you just wanted someone to get angry at someone despite not being fully aware of what kind of player I am. I wait for people in cutscenes, I wait for people who need to brb. However at the same time I will join the early-puller, because I'm not bothered by it. I'm not bothered when people pull while I'm in a cutscene. If a healer or a tank lets someone die because they want to look like a hero to a sprout, they are not doing their job. By the way, I primarily play DPS.

[Fyrebrand]

Go read SillyCrow's original post in this thread, I beg of you.

I did. It was based AF.

Who the heck are you to say that I don't wait for people in cutscenes/need to brb?

Oh, I'm sorry, so you do wait for other players to do their cutscenes?

The argument I was making was that intentionally letting someone die is griefing

When all the group members are ready to play, yeah, it totally would be. But if people are not ready to engage the boss and you refuse to wait, you aren't part of the implied contract of group play. You have willingly waived your rights to our assistance. You can't refuse to be a team player, and expect the team to have your back.

I wait for people in cutscenes, I wait for people who need to brb.

Okay, amazing! Sounds like you are doing the right thing, then! Except, I feel like you only wait if there is some condition at play...

However at the same time I will join the early-puller, because I'm not bothered by it.

Huh? But I thought you waited for people...? So, you don't wait if someone else decides for you to not wait? You don't have any agency? Or, you're just waiting for someone else's bad behaviour to give you a convenient excuse so that at least you're not the only one being bad? Or, you are willing to wait unless the person who rushes ahead is a tank, so you are protected if you decide to abandon the newbie and go ahead...? Sounds like you just do what is convenient for you.

I'm not bothered when people pull while I'm in a cutscene... By the way, I primarily play DPS.

You are free to enjoy the game in your own way and not care about whatever it is you don't care about. But you don't get to dictate what other players should care about or spend time on, based on your own feelings. Again, the cutscenes are in the game. You can't dispute that. You can't hand-wave it away and say "the devs shouldn't have put them there." You can't pretend a player is griefing or playing the game wrong, by allowing the game to happen as designed. All you can do is tell us how impatient you are, how you're not willing to do good by others, how you think your time is worth more than ours, and make up fake dungeon rules you invented about how we all have to skip as much content as possible to cut run time. It's all a bunch of baloney, and nobody's buying it.

[Sebazy]

You are free to enjoy the game in your own way and not care about whatever it is you don't care about. But you don't get to dictate what other players should care about or spend time on, based on your own feelings. Again, the cutscenes are in the game. You can't dispute that. You can't hand-wave it away and say "the devs shouldn't have put them there." You can't pretend a player is griefing or playing the game wrong, by allowing the game to happen as designed. All you can do is tell us how impatient you are, how you're not willing to do good by others, how you think your time is worth more than ours, and make up fake dungeon rules you invented about how we all have to skip as much content as possible to cut run time. It's all a bunch of baloney, and nobody's buying it.

Psst, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the game is more than happy to allow a group to pull whilst an individual is in a cutscene. If the group as a whole is ready and capable of getting on with the boss without that person, the game allows for it.

You can't sit there and claim that your rules apply to one side of the argument but not the other. Your rules are every bit as fake so get off the high horse.