"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

[Juun]

That is the reason why it is a bad idea when tanks can create AoE threat so easily, IMHO. That thing is really good in WoW classic that you have to fight to get threat from every single mob. It prevents the "gogogo"-mentality very effectively because "gogogo" is not possible without dead DPS players.

Cheers

I can keep dps up as a healer as much as I can keep a tank alive. Ive done Castrum the other day where the tanks were no where to be found so a Samurai was chain pulling and we still did fine. Sure Im glued to my heal buttons but thats fine.

Single pulls are one of the most boring things as a healer in this game. Same for dps who dont need to use AoE, and tanks who dont need to mitigate.

[Aron73]

Granted, I'm not that high level with my tank yet, but I can speak for my Bard, who is top lvl now, and in my opinion, I think the learning curve when it comes to 4 men and eight-man dungeons is good. Now granted after doing anything several times will make it boring at some point. But it doesn't matter what game we are talking about. Still, in the end, I have to say I have never experienced such a patient community toward new people, and if you one day wish to just plow through your daily dungeons and raids with an experienced group that can pull wall to wall and run through 5 dungeons in five minutes then plz look me up and invite me when the day comes I done this for the 20th time and just want to get my next piece of gear and have seen everything I need/want to see in the dungeons.
But please don't force people that just arrived in this game and looks at the eatherite in their first town for the first time with eyes big as footballs and ask them to rush through the dungeon and skip all the cut scenes because it was only a month ago I was that guy that thought everything even the ground I was standing on looked amazing. I could not stop talking about that guy with the awesome-looking armor and lance that was an lvl80 dragoon or just watching this ninja practicing on a dummy with his awesome-looking moves that made me wanna try all the jobs that this game can offer just to experience the effects.
And above all, the best story I ever experienced in any MMO.
Some of you might have forgotten all of this, so here is my reminder to you all.

[Rae88]

I would say apart from WoW this is new to me. WoW is literally the only game I've seen this mentality in

Ah, you haven't played ESO then I see.

In ESO the normal dungeons new players are likely to select are dungeons veteran players can solo ... and that's exactly what a lot of players do. They sprint ahead, solo or 2 man the dungeon, and leave while new players may be half a dungeon back lost and confused.

They really need to make dungeons Unsoloable in ESO it's horrible.

[Aron73]

Ah, you haven't played ESO then I see.

In ESO the normal dungeons new players are likely to select are dungeons veteran players can solo ... and that's exactly what a lot of players do. They sprint ahead, solo or 2 man the dungeon, and leave while new players may be half a dungeon back lost and confused.

They really need to make dungeons Unsoloable in ESO it's horrible.

No, I have not and that in my opinion sucks when people can do that

[Larirawiel]

I can keep dps up as a healer as much as I can keep a tank alive. Ive done Castrum the other day where the tanks were no where to be found so a Samurai was chain pulling and we still did fine. Sure Im glued to my heal buttons but thats fine.

Single pulls are one of the most boring things as a healer in this game. Same for dps who dont need to use AoE, and tanks who dont need to mitigate.

True. But this also shows that the game is completely dps centric. There is no real difference between a tank job and a dps job. Both have exactly the same play style: both have a static rotation. The only difference is: as a tank the mobs attack you. And tank dps matters. Many tank players avoid the dark knight because this job has the lowest dps output.

And as a healer you also have to do dps. And dps'ing as a healer is boring as hell. Because the dps spells trigger the GCD.

IMHO such a game design is not very healthy for the game at all. It causes a lack of tanks and healers. Because why should i play a crippled pseudo dps job when i can play a real one? I think, the jobs need much more diversity at all and not just only "this job is only a slightly different rotation".

Cheers

[Aron73]

Flash heal GCD flash heal GCD
oh damn, the tank is dying
Heal GCD
rinse and repeat
That's the rotation of a priest in WoW, and why am I telling you this?
Well, there are only so many ways a healer can be designed.
The fact that you even have time to break of and do some DPS with your healer is amazing to me.
I have four max-level chars in WoW, and my priest is still stuck on the first dungeon. Can you guess why? Well, let me give you a hint.
Flash heal GCD flash heal GCD
oh damn, the tank is dying
Heal GCD
rinse and repeat

[Ronduwil]

Then play with trusts and stop subjecting younger players to 30 minute dungeon runs.

Right back at you. If you want to play with speed runners, then do that instead of queueing for the duty roulette and subjecting a mix of novices and experts to your impatience. I know it's not reasonable to expect that of you, however, for the same reasons it's not reasonable for you to expect that of me. If I could get 50 tomestones at a pop by exclusively running trusts, I would happily do so.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Right back at you. If you want to play with speed runners, then do that instead of queueing for the duty roulette and subjecting a mix of novices and experts to your impatience. I know it's not reasonable to expect that of you, however, for the same reasons it's not reasonable for you to expect that of me. If I could get 50 tomestones at a pop by exclusively running trusts, I would happily do so.

No offense, but this attitude is exactly why DR df runs are so terrible now. You guys pushed all of the decent players out with this attitude.

Now they get sub 20 minute runs and df gets... Hour minimum....

[Ronduwil]

Do you eat your Cheerios one at a time too? So you don't risk choking on them? Because that's what single pulling in dungeons is like.

It's not even possible to pull a single mob at a time in dungeons. They always pull in packs. For that reason, your analogy is off. Single pulling in dungeons is more like taking a handful of Cheerios at a time. What you're advocating for amounts to cramming as many Cheerios as will fit into your wide open maw.

[Ronduwil]

No offense, but this attitude is exactly why DR df runs are so terrible now. You guys pushed all of the decent players out with this attitude.

Now they get sub 20 minute runs and df gets... Hour minimum....

I'm not sure how DR is even relevant to this conversation. DR has no trash and no possibility of wall to wall pulls. I was farming memories in DR a couple of weeks ago, and runs were taking about a half hour. I can't even remember a single wipe in my runs. The "decent" players who you're talking about prefer to run with each other because they've spent hours outside of DR faming essences. Their runs are taking just as long, but they've front loaded that time into essence farming and manual group finding. More power to them. I can't say I've ever been bored in DR.