Dark Knight Megathread

[ArianeEwah]

Where did it come from?

Answer:

To say DRK is a carbon copy of WAR is an overstatement, which should die if people want to make their complaint valid and reasonable. Complaints like these only make it more likely to be dismissed, especially when that complaints are based on seniority.

I can agree that the original post was excessive, but only so far to make their point clear. Diction of choice. Still doesn't mean their arguement that DRK is based on 4.2 Warrior... - no, a simplified version of that - is invalid, because it is.

What fact? Stormblood DRK was good but if you like ShB DRK you actually like WAR? Nice fact you have there. Shows your mentality towards new players

I highly doubt you read the post I was responding to. That person dismissed others opinion just because he has longer play time. My first reply was directed to him and was emphasized again at later reply. I'm not sure whether you calling me ignorant multiple times is out of misunderstanding or you simply want to demonize me. I'll just assume it's the former, so I would not call you ignorant. At least please have the courtesy to read the quote I was responding to.

My grind here is that you don't just dismiss Baxel's complaint as invalid because of "seniority", you continue to do so in response to WhyAmIHere. I feel like because 1 person triggered you by using an excessive term, and you started to disregard everyone points that agreed with Baxel's statement. But it doesn't matter because you...

[...]will never agree DRK and WAR are clones

I am calling you ignorant because I don't see you trying to understand what DRK used to be or originally should've been. You could watch VODs or read through old threads, action history etc. I just don't you making that effort, but I see you calling others entitled. Is that really any better? (And you don't have to be nice, I don't care whether you yell out insults or lull like some politican, speak your mind, and I'll do the same.)

It seems to me that by defending the tiniest differences between Delirium vs. Inner Release, gauge accumulation and spending, Blood Weapon vs. Infuriate, you don't really "support the desire to demand changes". Let me ask you this tho: If Delirium and Inner Release are so different, is there another ability in the game that lets you hit 5 GCD gauge spenders over 10s, on the same CD of 90s? Ofc not!
Is there any other job in the game that generates exactly 20 gauge after using their aoe? No, there isn't!
There are more actions that increase your gauge by 50, but the most klunky and wonky one out there is Blood Weapon! And it will most likely stay the way it is...
There is no job in the melee DPS section that plays like the other, there is no job in the physical ranged DPS faction that plays like the other, the same goes for caster DPS.
There are some actions that resemble each other, but every job gameplay is entirely individual.

For you, those small differences seem to be enough for DRK to be a unique job. I don't know if you have ever played WAR and seen the similarities. There are too many gameplay-wise, and too meagre the differences.
You like ShB DRK? Fine!
Does that change the fact that its based on a simplified 4.2 WAR sprinkled with wonky magic shenanigans? No!
We - who are "stuck in nostalgia" - are just tired to repeat ourselves that DRK is a WAR clone, just be called out by some peep - that played this for 2 months, and WAR for like just 5 min - this wouldn't be true.
Bro, it is true; there is a reason why there are so many DRK threads even before the launch of Shadowbringers, once the media tour was over.
We have been fighting this fight for more than 3 years now, and we exhaustingly frustrated that after all this, what SE came up with, was taking the 5.0 base and "enhance" it. Oh, yeah, f*ckin great, getting 1 or 2 actions AFTER level 80.
Also placing Salted Earth beneath us AFTER fixing ground targeting control? Yeah, f*ckin great again.
I am tired, so so tired to be hit by SE with so much incompetency, it's unbelieveable. But here we are, and then we are getting told it ain't so bad, every tank is unique... I can't-

[Aword3213]

Still doesn't mean their arguement that DRK is based on 4.2 Warrior... My grind here is that you don't just dismiss Baxel's complaint as invalid because of "seniority

You confused me. That reply was directed to that person only.If you like to take that seat, be my guest. Just don't come bothering me.
What statement, exactly? How were you able to decipher he was complaining 4.2 warrior clone in his reply below is beyond me

but you don't like DRK.. you like WAR.. and that is sadly not what this class should be..

you started to disregard everyone points that agreed with Baxel's statement.

the point being he played Stormblood DRK so other people cannot like ShB DRK?

I was called out specifically. As I said, I'm not here to make argument., but I was asked to make one.Here's the difference you go. I gave my reason and that was it.

The reason that brought me here is the word carbon copy. It is a strong word. If it's partially the same. then it's not carbon copy.

and I ended it with this

but carbon copy is not the right word. It just isn't.

If you're using the strong word that doesn't fit the definition, just suck it up when some point it out. People know exaggeration when they see one.

I am calling you ignorant because I don't see you trying to understand what DRK used to be or originally should've been.

Well, you insulted me, so here's the "old relic of the past" for ya. take it.

I don't care whether you yell out insults or lull like some politican, speak your mind, and I'll do the same.)

what insult? that veteran thing was never meant for anyone but the person I replied to.

by defending the tiniest differences between Delirium vs. Inner Release,you don't really "support the desire to demand changes".

Obviously, I can't ask for changes when DRK not getting many new stuff in EW. Thanks for letting me know

Let me ask you this tho: If Delirium and Inner Release are so different, is there another ability in the game that lets you hit 5 GCD gauge spenders over 10s, on the same CD of 90s? Ofc not!
Is there any other job in the game that generates exactly 20 gauge after using their aoe? No, there isn't!

Dude, what are you smoking?

I can agree with Delirium = IR part

I don't know if you have ever played WAR and seen the similarities. There are too many gameplay-wise, and too meagre the differences.
You like ShB DRK? Fine!

this escalated quickly

We - who are "stuck in nostalgia" - are just tired to repeat ourselves that DRK is a WAR clone, just be called out by some peep - that played this for 2 months, and WAR for like just 5 min - this wouldn't be true.

keep repeating. You forbid me from asking changes, so I might just as well sit here and watch you struggle

[Hurrican]

I am calling you ignorant because I don't see you trying to understand what DRK used to be or originally should've been.

Geez, why can't you just understand not everyone agrees with you. People just see thing differently. I don't see you trying to understand the point he was trying to make either.

such toxicity is a disgrace to FFXIV community