Scholar upgrades - possible patches -

[ArianeEwah]

I am not questioning your mental stability - THIS would be insulting -, but I ask whether you have given it two thoughts about what you are even suggesting!?

Except for your first 1-2 points about Bane and Miasma which unfortunately are not explained any further - despite it could've been the most interessting part of your post - you jump right into buffs that are on scale we've never seen before, and left without any explanation why you are even bringing them up.

And here is what we saw: except for chain stratagem, they are copy and paste from the job guide - the note about Nocturnal Field on Succor was still there. The buff section heavily lacks proof reading. For ED there is still the Aether cost notice, but you just added it doesn't cost anything... this is unfinished, and confusing to say the least.
And as WaxSw has described in detail, your suggestions don't make any sense without any explanation or wrote down reason.
I can't see any design changes that justify such buffs, so we are back to the point that this section is still not done.
In fact, your changes would make SCH even more boring and monotone than it already is, since Sacred would be mandatory in any situation, and the gauge would be overflowing with no way to spend other than on Fey Union.

Focus on the interessting part, and keep the balance in mind. If you can't come up with numbers without breaking it, either don't fix on them or give a rough direction, so you wouldn't go overboard.

So far, all I can say, those changes are - mildly speaking - not good, and those that could be interessting are not explained, so I can't make any of it.

[VictoriaLuv]

I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.

Its not really that I can understand that people may see me as trolling so that doesn't really offend me. any or nor do find that rude at all. I'm just seeking discussions with people that does not result in bashing someone else. most of the time. you get that on final fantasy 14 forums or in-game as a whole. I just understand we all passionate about the game we all have different things like to see in the game. sometimes people will clash cause difference of opinion. however nothing really posted was remotely bad. just my potency increases are way off i would like see some potency increases in scholar's job even if its like 10-20 more potency added to heals or dps

I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II so my. is touch up where scholar individually lacks at the moment. pet ai. good damage rotation set up. having decent regeneration and aoe shielding. and issue i have with CS is that its completely RNG its 15% crit chance for 15s yet damage crits are nice and all. but healing is were the critical are really needed on scholar for it function properly. this were in my opinion where scholar's truly shine

CS only be put on monster you cant put it on the tank. watch is kinda sad. either way still be used as offensive cd regardless but in dungeons when tank pulls wall to wall. being able to put it on tank and crit/ap more be a welcome change

why i did that to energy drain is cause i want scholar have something other lucid dreaming gain mp back. without costing aetherrite while keeping it all on lustrates so you can dps more doing the ogcd juggle mostly all healers do this would also automanticlly suggest that energy drain give you more mp upon use. allowing scholar watch at the start of shadowbringers 5.0 alot mp issues with scholar watch they have fixed

even though there 6 stacks on cs that is 100% crit. i suggested you wont get those cs that put on a boss. no one in 8 man party pops a single crit cause of rng. sure take in weapon skills and magic into account (not auto-attacks) at least crits are happening upon use.

[Semirhage]

I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

[VictoriaLuv]

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

what you say is true. but there is some major differences between the two. that can make medica II seem way more powerful. whispering dawn. whispering dawn is like one of few healing over time effects scholar has and you get this way lower level. when I make abilities suggest them take into consideration all types of play. rather it be low level exploration and game enjoyable all way to max level. however i do not base balancing on raiding alone. pretty sure as a healer you run into situations where the tank will pull about 16-22 monsters from start of dungeon all way to the boss. this makes up over 55-62% of the over all experience in the game. where raiding raiding and savage grinding only like 10-13% rest just solo content. way the meta is shaping currently in the game. stronger and solid heals are required be able to heal big burst of damage. scholars need bulk added to there kit

more aoe damage. better solid aoe heals not feel underwhelming questioned why you casted it in first place. believe it or not people actually play final fantasy 14 to have "fun" would like to have "Fun and cool things to play with" not question what am doing with my life. everytime you cast ability command your pet to use ability they down right refuse to do so

[Semirhage]

What? So...Whispering Dawn is pretty close in strength to Medica 2, but people do a lot of dungeons so therefore it "feels weak" and needs a buff anyway? What do these two things have to do with one another? Why do the healers require even more powerful heals? The healing spells in this game are already largely superfluous, especially in dungeons where AOE damage is far less frequent than it is in raid settings. Whispering Dawn is even less relevant there than it is in high-end content. Why does fairy ghosting have anything to do with the potency on Whispering Dawn?

This is one of the weird mental blocks I consistently have with Scholar mains. The fairy "feels weak". You point out that the fairy's spells are, in fact, pretty strong. Even after being nerfed several expansions in a row, the fairy pumps out a ton of free healing. But it "feels weak" so it needs a buff. Do people want Whispering Dawn to throw out an Earthly Star-level heal? Mass Benediction? What would make the fairy "feel" strong? If Embrace chonked the tank for a Cure 2's worth of health every time the cast went off?

[Sergie]

Yeah fairy is actually ridiculously strong when you consider that all her actions are completely oGCD and start counting how much total healing power all those Embraces amount to.

[Sebazy]

Embrace lost a large chunk of it's value when you stopped being able to manually focus fire it tbh =(

[Deceptus]

After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.

Whispering Dawn also has a 60s CD and due to it being an ability doesnt' get any benefit from +healing abilities. It just is what it is healing wise.

Vs.

Medica 2 which can be modified by:

WHM Asylum (10%)
WHM Temperence (20%)
SCH Fey Illumination (10%)

It's the above reasons where Medica 2 can feel REALLY beefy at times. Especially combined with both Temperence and Asylum. 10% less damage and 30% extra healing? Yes please.

Do people want Whispering Dawn to throw out an Earthly Star-level heal? Mass Benediction? What would make the fairy "feel" strong? If Embrace chonked the tank for a Cure 2's worth of health every time the cast went off?

Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.

[VictoriaLuv]

Yeah fairy is actually ridiculously strong when you consider that all her actions are completely oGCD and start counting how much total healing power all those Embraces amount to.

yes you have no control over who it embraces or when it decides to embrace. embrace isn't as strong people think it is. back in the day when had control over it. yes embrace was really strong. bur new system your very lucky and rng really loves your scholar or it pull of its heals when people need it the most.

people trying compare medica II to whispering dawn watch has 60 second cooldown. and medica II does not not to mention medica II first heal can crit, I have not once seen whispering dawn crit. when you put all these things into account the 60 second cooldown. embrace jank. pet jank. yes it needs be stronger. its like look askin have scholar made better. if your scholar main then you should want this too. the lack of meaty heals is what is major issue lack of fun dps opinions for. scholar.

Sages gonna completely totally destroy scholar as far as parsing. hell they heal from there damage. while adding large amounts of utility and shields how are you even gonna hold up. people already saying "oh crap its a scholar" every-time you run 4 man or 8 man dungeon cause unless your A/S tier healer 100% top of your game and putting twice if not more effort in your job. its gonna suck sorry people its the truth. scholar is unforgiving as hell

[Roeshel]

Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.

The fairy weaves commands in between Embrace casts which are 3s when the fairy is stationary. This is the main reason why it takes so long to execute chain commands instantly. It can execute only one command between embrace casts. If a player commands the fairy to execute WD, FI, and Fey Union, they will have the Fey Union ticking after 7-9 seconds delay. Add Fey Blessing before Fey Union and the total amount of time will be 12s for all actions to be executed. The fairy is basically a 1GCD-1oGCD per 3s turret. It functions only when it's not moving, when it's moving it can't do anything. It can't weave more than one command per 3s and it can't clip its GCD Embrace in order to weave a command even if there is no target to cast Embrace on.

In raids, the fairy can be left to sit stationary in the middle and it will be healing every 3s while unless you have to move it. So that's 2k Healing potency per minute, 1/2 of what Sage has on 2.5 GCD without Soteria. The fairy could possibly get buffed because it can't match Sage at all. It can only reach up to 2510 potency if we add Fey Union and but that's only true if we don't include the usage of Dissipation. Seraph is on 2 min cooldown and it is not really something a Scholar would press in order to sustain the MT. But in the perfect scenario, Seraph would add approximately 1200 ST actual healing potency increase to the normal Embrace for the time it has been summoned. Seraph is actually a really strong oGCD. The strongest in the game. It basically heals for 1900 ST over the 22-23 secs that it is summoned and it provides additional 800 AoE healing potency distributed between 2 casts as half heal and half shield. Its usage is just not very practical. Not only because the ST healing is untargetable but also because the oGCD has 2 min CD. It would have been so much better if Seraph was something that you could constantly switch to when you need it and turn it off when you don't need it instead of it being locked behind a 2min cooldown. There should have been some resource management involving Seraph for better gameplay. Hopefully, they will change something in EW.