Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

[Bearded]

:et's think about this rationally for a moment....

You can only access the glamor plates in certain areas due to legacy code restrictions (I think that's the reason anyway).

In order to automagically display the true nature of the item to some or the glamoured version to others some new code is going to have to perform a check for each character in visible range and on the fly display one or another version of their gear.

Any idea how many hours of dev time that is going to take away from actual development? I doubt it's even actually possible simply due to the spaghetti legacy code.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

The arrogance displayed in this thread is astounding. Let me remind you all that he's asking for an option to disable glamour LOCALLY. How is that a problem for anyone else?

Because they can't seem to handle not being able to show off their glamour? The need to peacock is strong. I assume they spend all their day feeling bad over the people that have already modded them to look different, they would SURELY spend all day pouting at the thought of a stranger somewhere that sees them in default gear. Or more likely they would be upset at the thought when it gets implemented and then carry on playing as they would and soon forget the toggle is a thing.
Lord knows they are being changed into some VERY lewd outfits by a lot of RPers than host clubs or go to venue's. Unless they are lamenting that all day about it ruining their immersion I don't see how a toggle for job gear is a problem at all. Just people trying to control others because of fee fee's. Pretty selfish imo.

[Krotoan]

:et's think about this rationally for a moment....

You can only access the glamor plates in certain areas due to legacy code restrictions (I think that's the reason anyway).

Glamour plates are basically references to model/texture/color flags. As far as the game is concerned this is additional storage and needs to be isolated from other possible referrals/changes to inventory so as not to increase possible bandwidth between the character server and the game server (as far as I can figure out).

In order to automagically display the true nature of the item to some or the glamoured version to others some new code is going to have to perform a check for each character in visible range and on the fly display one or another version of their gear.

The game is already querying every person in range and getting flags from the server as to what to show them wearing. It really would be no different from what we have now. In addition if you have a toggle that normalizes PCs in range it would be allowed to IGNORE all that information and provide pre-set glamours instead, reducing data throughput from server to client. Which is exceedingly minor for appearance anyway as every model/texture/dye combination is just flags your client reads to know what to display reinforced by what we know of how mods work. They replace the client files for whatever model/texture flag so when you get sent the flags for say platemail, it just displays the modded files on your computer.

Any idea how many hours of dev time that is going to take away from actual development? I doubt it's even actually possible simply due to the spaghetti legacy code.

Since players can already basically do this themselves with graphical mods, it's not as complicated as you say unless we go the checklist of every single item route.
I'm not saying it would take no time, but if I go with how next to every non-file-consistency-enforced game mod works that I know of, it would be a matter of being able to toggle your client to either check what someone is actually wearing.. or simply ignoring all that information and providing an appropriate generic appearance according to class/race/gender.

No increased data throughput and purely client side.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

No. I have a certain way I want my character to look. It's not up to you to see what you want to see, it's up to me to wear what I like to wear. This is the person I present to the world, and everyone in it. My character is mine, and how he/she looks is my decision.

It would be like you saying to me IRL that I can't dress the way I want because you don't like the clothing I choose. No.

It's nothing like doing that IRL at all. Don't even try to equate online crap to real world oppression that people experience daily. Your character can still look how you want it too and you wouldn't have the faintest idea that someone running past seen you in artifact gear or some such. I am sure some people with mods on seen your character comically proportioned in lingerie. I have yet to see people making threads about it saying it ruins their day at the simple thought of that happening. You shouldn't get to dictate how others experience the game, esp when this game is so heavy on story and yet you can still find yourself fighting alongside a giant chicken. It ruins what should be a really big moment for a lot of people. Others see the humour in it and enjoy it. Different strokes for different folks. So many people trying to control others in this thread it's weird.

[Jandor]

No. You will look upon my beautiful glamour and you will rejoice!

[Anya_Synia]

Wouldn't everyone look the same though due to most people wearing armour from tomes or BIS. Wouldn't that be immersion breaking in itself as no one would be individual.

[Tsiron]

I can't fathom why this topic is still going... I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with regards to people tanking in bikinis, wearing stupid animal costumes or basically just modern clothing looking kind of out of place (to put it mildly), but if they had to do something about it I'd much rather they expanded the Glamour system to be less restrictive than implement a toggle to turn it off outright...

Would maybe convince at least some of the aforementioned people to dress their character up in more... appropriate attire? The selection of All Classes gear is just kind of limited right now, and not everyone can be bothered to come up with however many outfits for the jobs they play

[Aurida]

Wouldn't everyone look the same though due to most people wearing armour from tomes or BIS. Wouldn't that be immersion breaking in itself as no one would be individual.

If you outright disable glamours, yes, you'll get visual messes of people wearing basically random crafted/tome/raid gear plus people wearing the actual glamour equipment to sidestep the restriction and it would be awful and solve nothing. Hence the suggestion of 'if they're on white mage, put them in white mage gear appropriate to their level' and so on and so forth. Sure, that also runs into problems with individuality, but if you specifically enable a client side toggle to remove individuality I don't think you're too pressured about individuality.

I can't fathom why this topic is still going... I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with regards to people tanking in bikinis, wearing stupid animal costumes or basically just modern clothing looking kind of out of place (to put it mildly), but if they had to do something about it I'd much rather they expanded the Glamour system to be less restrictive than implement a toggle to turn it off outright...

They can and should do both, given that one of the main dev arguments against expanding the glamour system to treat all gear as all-job gear is the visual identity of a class, whatever that means any more. If you have a toggle to force other players to adhere to that, then they don't have to worry about that barrier any more.

[Snorky]

Why would anyone think this would happen, they are not going to put this in the game why would they put a counter to a system they have in game? As it is when loading into dungeons if your inventory is full it has to log each item, do you really think adding stress to the system to render someone's outfit because you think it inappropriate will ever be in this game. Pehlease. Think about what you are asking, is it worth the devs time to counter a system they created because of your immersion? This whole topic is rather silly and pointless. Imo. It's like censorship gone wild. The ones saying why do you care you have to realize you are advocating censorship and further reading proves some of you in other threads have been advocates of no censorship so which is it? Censorship or not?

[Caitlyn]

So, I don’t know why this topic is polemic at all, really.

The option to turn off everyone’s glamour locally for the player would bring much more immersion to many people. I’m not offended nor believe any glamours are bad per se, I just don’t find them at all immersive or coherent with the world, it’s lore and it’s history. I also know many players that agree with me and even people that look at FFXIV and loose the will to play when they see how wacky and incoherent many people’s armor sets are, this people just tend to be older and/or not as loud and expressive online, so they just either keep on playing wishing for such a feature or don’t play at all.

So just give the option to turn off all glamours locally to anyone, it’s a local graphics option that doesn’t affect at all any other player.

Basically, you re asking for offical mods xD

What comes next? Hide all Viera and Hrothgar, because they are breaking YOUR immersion or lore? Hide all male characters, because their glamour doesnt look good to you?

Small inventory, old glamour system, broken blacklist... but yeah, lets throw in a feature about disabling certain glamours for... reasons... .