We could really do much with Sch- A Shb Sch rework

[WaxSw]

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I gave you the living dead idea to put an example of common doom mechanic, something like TG in Orbonne or that simply forces AoE hp heal would put Sch at an insane disadvantage and with what you propose you would have to had 1st recitation ready, 2nd physick and 3rd emergency tactics just to have a chance to heal it, not mentioning how recitation even tough it works with gcd heals is used with aetherflow heals as its a dps gain, I think its an aproach too clunky when you consider SGE doesnt face those problems by default. What is keeping Sch now from using shields its not how many of hp/regens there are but how expensive shields are, we avoid gcds like a plague and 2/3 ways we have to give shields are gcd tied only 1 is not tied to any gcd and its under a 120s cooldown so thats why Sch doesnt shield that much and why at least in my rework the ogcd sourced of shielding are implemented

With the shields I'm more fond of the idea Gemina proposed of having returns from a shield breaking, reason being that when planning our heals we treat shields as part of the total potency of a heal (i.e for us a succor is 405 potency not 180) making a shield that can break after X amount of hits will mean that we have a variation factor that would make planning more weird and for mechanics that hit multiple times with weak hits basically using them would be waste.

Totally forgot about thunder 4 tbh and its something that would be fun to work with

[Anhra]

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I dont think even with the suggestions i made, SCH would have much trouble going through any Doom-like mechanics, since they are rather rare in the first place, and when it comes on a larger scale where the entire party can get hit, you have a co-healer on your side (who will always be a "pure healer" with the start of Endwanker) anyway.

but let us assume this happens in Orbonne and your co-healer is either a WHM or AST and ignore the fact that your co-healer is most likely more than capable of providing alot of raw healing on the AoE side, SCH still has (if we take both our ideas into consideration):

-AoE regen and heal that gives a +10% heal bonus
-the heal nuke from physick from my idea with estimated 1200-1500 Potency that will most likely, get one dps back to full HP in one go if it crits
-Indomitability which is if we leave it as it is, 400 potency aoe heal
-Fey gift with a 450 potency Heal
-Emergency Tactics turns one single Target Ability into a AoE (Physick)

That's in my Book at least, quite a good response to any Doom-like mechanic even on a larger scale, and if it doesnt work out, numbers can always be changed. Also, any GCD Shielding Ability can still be used as a backup as a "basic form of healing" if it gets really tough, but i doubt that it will be necessary. If i had any worries on this, its more that my suggested Physick idea would probably need a bigger cast time to balance it out more.


As for the Shield matter, keep in mind that Scholar has Shields on GCD and that fact alone, will make this matter on the smaller scale of things, hardly any different. The only big difference it would make, is that Shielding can't be used anymore to cheese Content for Players on a lower level than you, if anything and i doubt thats a serious concern to be considered. There is also rare Monsters with multi-attacks like the wild namazuos in yanxia (which have a 3 hit combo attack) which maybe, could break through your Shield with ease with weak attacks, but let's think again, are those critters, really a danger?

[WaxSw]

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For the Physick, yes that could heal but once again you're dumping a lot of resources into one mechanic while other healers even in the same category (sage) dont need to, if that mechanic is planned yes you can deal with it but if its by surprise or because shit hits the fan (living dead) then Sch has no reliable way to tackle the situation while the other 3 have, also while emergency tactis could work to make a heal aoe, I dont think would fit well outside physick because in realistic terms out of all the heals only Excog and that Physick would benefit from that, all of the fairy heals are already AoE, 2 out of the 4 Aetherflow heals are Aoe and Lustrate and to some extend Adlo becoming AoE can be achieved by using deployment tactics, an emergency tactics that makes shields into heals in the scope of the rework I said would interact with 5 heals and its effect woudnt overlap with any other skill. There is also the thing of Physick being a gcd heal so probably woudnt see much use in the majority of content outside those niche scenarios and personally I think its better if Sch has niche skills in the ogcd kit more than the gcd kit (less oportunity cost).

For the Shields, I get you but what real purpose would that fill? At high end content if you're going to cheese is almost always 1 or 2 hits by stacking shields (look at E10s) so the 3 hit rule woudn't avoid it and when you're healing lower level players is almost always overworld contet so, Who cares if you cheese it? In fact I'd say its possitive for the whole "look how strong I can get in the future" from the newbie point of view, I simply see it as limiting the shield mechanic for the sake of limiting it.